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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"> </font></p><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">From: <span><span style="color:rgb(0, 104, 28)"></span></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Joachim <<a href="mailto:Osnabryg%2BLowlands@googlemail.com">Osnabryg+Lowlands@googlemail.com</a>></span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><br>
Subject: <span></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">LL-L "Phonology" 2011.05.16 (01) [NL]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><span></span><br>
</font><div><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Beste Paul, Hanne, Ron, Marcus, Piet &,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
de vraag over de uitspraak van Nederlands </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">w, v en f</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> lijkt
mij ook een belangrijke, omdat controversieel uitgelegde te zijn,
waar je ook bij het leren van Nederlands moeilijk een kloppende
antwoord op vindt.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Am 14.05.11 06:28, schrieb R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">
Dutch <b>w</b> is most definitely <b>not</b> pronounced like
German <b>w</b> ([v]). </blockquote><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Dit ja, maar:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">Instead, it is pronounced as a labio-dental glide
(approximant): [ʋ]. <br>
</blockquote><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Ik heb maar geleert, het Nederlands </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">w</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> zou ABN-correct </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">bilabiaal</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">,
als een approximant met </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">beide</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> lippen gevormd zijn. </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Piet Bult vulde aan:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">Je kunt de Nederlandse 'W' eigenlijk niet
als alleenstaand uitspreken. Bij het opnoemen van het alfabet
plaatsen we er gewoonlijk een 'e' achter, dus: weee.</blockquote><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Ja, dat is een goede aanleiding, maar het </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">w</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> is anderzijds
ook als "stimhebbend" gelijst b. v. op
</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klankinventaris_van_het_Nederlands" target="_blank">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klankinventaris_van_het_Nederlands</a><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
- en anders is mijns inziens de verschil tegenover </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">v</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
nauwelijks te vaten.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Het kwam je ook van ouder (Oudsassisch/Germaans) </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"hw"</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> als in
</span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">hwo(u)</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> - waaruit eng. </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">how</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, Nederlands </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">hoe</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">,
maar Nederduits </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">wo(u)</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, of </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">hwar</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">, </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">hwe</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> enz.}.
En, als het binnen lettergrepen staat als in "gewaar" - is het dan
niet ook stimhebbend?</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Reinhard verder:</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><blockquote style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" type="cite">
In Dutch, it contrasts with<b> v</b>. This is <b>not</b>
pronounced like English [v] but is a voiceless version of it:
[v̥]. It differs from [f] in that it does not have any aspiration
associated with it.</blockquote><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Zo als ik het weet, is </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">"v"</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> in Nederlands ABN-correct </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">stemhebbend
labiodentaal</i><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> ('week'), </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">f</b><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> daarentegen </span><i style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">stemloos en
scherp.</i><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Maar dat is alleen mijn laaggeschoold mening, </span><b style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">voor meer gegronde
correcties door Nederlandstalige LL-genoten zou ik dankbaar zijn!</b><i><br>
</i>
<pre cols="65">Met echt-westfœlsken »Goudgaun!«
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