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<p class="MsoNormal">From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#00681c">Hellinckx Luc</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Phonology"</span></p><br><div bgcolor="#ffffff">
Beste Joachim,<div><br><div><div>Je schreef:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<font size="+1"> <small>Am 18.05.11 22:07, schrieb Luc Hellinckx: </small></font>
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<div><small><font size="+1"><small><span>Wat de fonetische waarde
van "w" en "v" betreft, heb ik al meerdere malen gedacht
ook een bijdrage te leveren, maar tijd ontbreekt
voorlopig. Toch nog dit, al naar gelang de positie
(begin, midden of einde van een woord) kan een "w" als
"w", "v" of "t" uitgesproken worden in menig Brabants
dialect.</span></small></font></small></div>
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Ibedoe het kij nuttig zou zijn, dat ook nog te weeten,
volledigheidshalve<sup><i>r</i></sup>.<br>
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Beste Luc, alleen wanneer jij de tijd hebt, natuurlijk.<br>
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En de "t" als Theo was geen vertikken met "f" als Fritz ???<br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
Het
is zeker geen "typo"...ik bedoelde wel degelijk dat een "w" soms "t"
wordt in bepaalde Brabantse woorden...maar niet alleen in Brabants by
the way:</div><div><br></div><div>new (E) = nieuw (D) = nuut (B) ... compare with Swedish "<span title="Click for alternate translations">Gott Nytt</span> <span title="Click for alternate translations">År" for "Good New Year"</span></div>
<div><span title="Click for alternate translations">blue (E) = blauw (D) = blaat (B) ... </span></div><div>Sometimes also: raw (E) = r(a)uw (D) = raat (B), but also rää (B)</div><div><span title="Click for alternate translations"><br>
</span></div><div><span title="Click for alternate translations">I forgot to mention that "w" even sometimes turns into "g" when at the back of a word:</span></div><div><span title="Click for alternate translations"><br>
</span></div><div>mellow (E) = murw (D) = mörg (B) (said of food that is ready to eat, also meaning "drunk")</div><div><br></div><div>Sometimes also happens with a "w" in the middle of a word:</div><div>
<br></div><div>to push (E) = d(o)uwen (D) = dääven (B) or "dagen" in Aalst (Eastern Flanders)</div><div>to spew (E) = sp(o)uwen (D) = spääven (B) or "spagen" in Aalst (Eastern Flanders)</div><div><br>
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<div>Aside
from this, many middle "w" becomes "v" like in "bouwen" (D) >
"baven" (B), or is just ignored like in English "Norwich" > "Norich" ~
"Opwijk" > "Opaëk".</div><div><br></div><div>That's it for now...kind greetings,</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium</div></font></div></div><br>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p>
Subject:
Phonology<br>
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Hi, Luc!<br><br>Dialect variation of <i>-w</i> and <i>-g</i> is quite common in Low Saxon; e.g., <i>blau</i> ~ <i>blag'</i> (Dutch spelling <i>blauw</i> ~ <i>blaog</i>', IPA [blaˑʊ] ~ [blɒːˑɣ]) 'blue'.<br>
<br>A similar phenomenon is found among the Turkic languages; e.g., <i>dağ ~ tağ ~ taw</i> <i>~ tau</i> 'mountain', and Turkish <i>ğ</i> is in fact pronounced [w] in some contexts (i.e. adjacent to a labial, as in the name Erdoğan<i>).</i>.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA<br>
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