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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"> </font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">From: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">Pat Reynolds</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:pat@caerlas.co.uk">pat@caerlas.co.uk</a></span></span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etiquette" 2011.05.27 (01) [NL/DE]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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</span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="im"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From: Sandy Fleming <a href="mailto:fleemin@live.co.uk" target="_blank">fleemin@live.co.uk</a></span><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I wonder if anybody would like to offer opinions on this?<br><br><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13545386" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13545386</a></span><span> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
<br>If you agree with this, do you think Low Saxon speakers, Frisians, Dutch are</span><span> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>more like Germans or British?</span><span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I
disagree with how this article reports ‘phatic’ communication, which I
believe is not about ‘politeness’ or ‘lying’, but about messages which
do not bear any meaning apart from to assert that there is a
communication channel open.</span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">So an exchange might go:</span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Person A “Lovely weather for ducks!”</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Person B “The garden needs it!”.</span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Now,
we both know we are standing in a downpour. The communication does not
tell either of us anything (other than the subtle messages of class,
region, etc. which is carried in our voices – but this is often between
people who know this already.</span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">What this communication does is let one another know that we are open to recieve communications. So it might go:</span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Person
A: “oh, that reminds me ... could you feed our cat tomorrow evening?”
(nb, there is nothing in the previous conversation to remind anyone of
cats or meals!)</span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Or Person B: “The garden needs it .... but it’s playing my rheumatics up – I don’t suppose you are going past the chemist?”</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If Germans do not make ‘small talk’, I strongly suspect that body language shows that one is prepared to talk.</span></p>
<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The euphemism is something else.... </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:20.0pt;font-family:Amienne;color:black">Pat Reynolds</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Amienne;color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Amienne;color:#943634">It may look messy now ...</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Amienne;color:#943634"> ... but just you come back in 500 years time (T. Pratchett).</span></p>
<br><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">----------</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br>From: "Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"<br></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Dear Sandy, All,<br>About 'Small Talk'...</div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">In my opinion small talk is very personaly and can't be generalized, unless
you have to, for some reason. Then I rather think - in general -;-) it has more
to do how serious people are. From south (Europe) to the north, people become
more and more serious, in a way. People from the south are - as far it small
talk concerns - on the street or in a bar more socially then in the north, in my
view.</div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
And small talk somtimes can be dangerous, listen... </span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Just today I went
to the supermarket, as my wife asked me to do. There I saw a man (somwehere
around 40 years) reading all the ingediënts on a packet of French cheese, or
something like that. When I passed him by, I small talked something like 'het de
vrouw jow d'r ok op uut stuurd?' (Did your wife send you to?). And he replyed
'Ik bín de vrouw, heur!' (I ám the wife, you know!). Indeed, five minutes later
I saw the two guys, walking hand in hand on de parking place...</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Mit een
vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Piet Bult</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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