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From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#00681c">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:roger.thijs@euro-support.be">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</a></span></span></div>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L Cultural change</span><br><span><br></span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">In Antwerp public schools about half of the population at primary level is
muslim. See excerpt from “Het Laatste Nieuws” attached.</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">I see a similar evolution in France.</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">A couple of weeks ago I was in Blanc-Miseron (France, Nord), where I did a
project in the early nineties. All restaurant and food shops have a panel
nowadays that their food is “halal”. </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">The big restaurant chain “Flunch” had, as well in Rijsel (Lille) as in
Valencienes, a promotion with couscous buffets.</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">In Brussel Tonton Chami started with a halal hamburger chain. I’m sure Mac
Donalds and Quick will have to adjust similarely soon and go the halal way.
</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.brusselnieuws.be/eten-drinken/halal-fastfood-verovert-brussel" target="_blank">http://www.brusselnieuws.be/eten-drinken/halal-fastfood-verovert-brussel</a></div>
<span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">I have been eating at Tonton Chami a couple of times: the quality of the
food and of the service is excellent.</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">What I’m just asking myself: Will there still be restaurants offering bacon
dishes in a near future? As they will be disqualified by half or more of the new
local population. </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Anyhow, even when halal, it stays in a West-European eating culture. Last
week I had lunch in one of the better restaurants in Lewes DE. The main dish,
filet mignon , was served with two eggs and with a basket with a variation of
sweet danish pastry. We are not used to this overdoing with combining
tastes.</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Regards,</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Roger</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">PS: Is there a fundamental difference between “halal” and “kosher”? Both do
not allow porc, but further I don’t know.</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;"> </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Quoted from “Het Laatste Nieuws”:</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">In het Antwerps stedelijk basisonderwijs is bijna de helft van de
leerlingen moslim. Het gaat om een stijging met bijna 12 procent in vergelijking
met het schooljaar 2007-2008, schrijven de Corelio-kranten.</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Het aantal leerlingen in het Antwerps stedelijk onderwijs dat islamlessen
volgt, neemt toe, zo blijkt uit cijfers die Vlaams Belang opvroeg bij de
Antwerpse schepen van Onderwijs, Robert Voorhamme (sp.a).</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">In het stedelijk onderwijs kunnen ouders kiezen welk levensbeschouwelijk
vak hun kinderen volgen. Ze kunnen kiezen tussen de zes erkende godsdiensten
(katholicisme, protestantisme, orthodoxe godsdienst, anglicanisme, jodendom en
islam) en niet-confessionele zedenleer. </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">"Van de 10.743 leerlingen in de Antwerpse stedelijke basisscholen kozen er
dit schooljaar 4.890 voor de islam. Dat is 45,5 procent of een stijging van net
geen twaalf procent vergeleken met het schooljaar 2007-2008", luidt het in de
kranten. Volgens schepen Voorhamme weerspiegelen de cijfers de evolutie van de
bevolkingssamenstelling. (belga/sps) </div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">30/05/11 07u38</div><span style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">
</span><div style="font-family: tahoma,sans-serif;">Source:
<a href="http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1265/Onderwijs/article/detail/1271704/2011/05/30/Helft-van-leerlingen-Antwerps-basisonderwijs-is-moslim.dhtml" target="_blank">http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1265/Onderwijs/article/detail/1271704/2011/05/30/Helft-van-leerlingen-Antwerps-basisonderwijs-is-moslim.dhtml</a></div>
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From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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Culture</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></div><big style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><small><br>Hi, Roger!<br><br></small></big><div style="margin-left: 40px; color: rgb(51, 0, 153); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
PS: Is there a fundamental difference between “halal” and “kosher”? Both do
not allow porc, but further I don’t know.<br></div><big style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><small>
</small></big><big style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><small></small></big><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">I'll make my response on this enormous topic as brief as possible.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<ul style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><li>Neither Islamic <i><span class="Unicode">ḥalāl</span> </i>(حلال) nor Jewish <i>kāshēr</i> (<font size="2"><span class="script-hebrew" dir="rtl">כָּשֵׁר</span></font>, Yiddish <i>kosher</i>) refer only to food laws; they refer to many other aspects of life.*</li>
<li>Islamic food laws are not as detailed and extensive as are Jewish food laws.</li><ul><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal</a></li><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashrut">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashrut</a></li>
<li>Both restrict human consumption to meat that comes to certain permissible animals that are slaughtered in a particular way accompanied by blessings.</li><li>Many animals' meat may be consumed in Islam but not in Judaism; e.g. rabbits and many types of seafood (while among aquatic animals only fish with scales and fins are kosher).</li>
<li>In Judaism, meat and dairy may not be consumed at the same time, and this restriction does not exist in Islam. This requires kosher kitchens to have separate parts, each with its own utensils, dishes, etc. Furthermore, non-kosher items may not enter a kitchen or even a house, since contact with them would render everything non-kosher. The rules are so difficult to follow, especially for those that mix with non-Jews, that few non-orthodox Jews even attempt to follow most of them. Instead, most of them only follow the very basic rules of avoiding pork, rabbit, eel, catfish and shellfish and not mixing meat and dairy.<br>
</li></ul></ul><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">* In Israel, there is now a new kosher mobile telephone on the market, specifically designed for ultra-orthodox people. The interface is in Yiddish, and access to "inappropriate" sites is blocked so as to remove temptation.</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Regards,</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Seattle, USA</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2"><span></span></font><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" align="center">
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