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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font size="2">From: </font><a href="mailto:mike.keach@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#c88900">James Ward</span> <span class="go">jamesward@earthlink.net</span></span></a></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font size="2">Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Language politics" 2011.06.01 (04) [EN]</span><span></span><span></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><br></p>I have a wistful fondness for Esperanto. It still has a lot going for it! :)<br>
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(I shouldn't reply this close to my vacation, but I had to say it.)<br>
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With best wishes,<br>
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James Ward<br>
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Mike Wintzer wrote:<br>
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> From: Mike Wintzer <a href="mailto:k9mw@yahoo.com">k9mw@yahoo.com</a><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2011.05.31 (03) [EN]<br>
><br>
> Hi Lowlanders,<br>
> Risking the wrath of many of you,<br>
> I would advocate ONE language<br>
> as the lingua franca for the EU,<br>
> for expediency I would choose<br>
> Basic English.<br><br>----------<br><br><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font size="2">From: </font><a href="mailto:mike.keach@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.</span> <span class="go">roger.thijs@euro-support.be</span></span></a></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font size="2">Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Language politics" 2011.06.02 (03) [EN]</span><span></span><span></span></p><br><div><font size="2">Two years ago, on a conference of Apics in Toronto,
I met a staff member of a Canadian National Bank division in Montreal. We
started speaking French, but, though I'm not too bad in French, I had big
difficulties with understanding him, and we switched to English.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">If I understand what is written in:</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><a href="http://people.ucalgary.ca/%7Edcwalker/PronCF.pdf" target="_blank">http://people.ucalgary.ca/~dcwalker/PronCF.pdf</a>
</font><font size="2">(Text in English)</font></div>
<div><font size="2">there is acceptance inside Canada for a big variety
of spoken French when used in public.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">However in written French I don't see that
variation (though there may be some writings in local styles)</font></div>
<div><font size="2">(There are many dictionaries of Quebecquois, but
these do no cover a standardized "written" language, I think)</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2">Regards,</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Roger<br><br>----------<br><br></font><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font size="2">From: </font><a href="mailto:mike.keach@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#c88900">Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="go">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</span></span></a></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font size="2">Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Language politics" 2011.06.02 (01) [EN]</span><span></span><span></span></p>
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<div>From Marlou:</div><div> </div><div><font size="4">(Now Non-Germans,
if you google "oettinger english" and find some videos, prepare for a
good laugh! And YES, it is the same man!!!) </font><br><br>Well, I think
my German is a bit better than his English, but I'm not going to point
the finger. However, this the problem with "English as Lingua Franca"
idea. There are about 400 million people who speak English, and another
billion or so who think they do.</div><div> </div><div>And it shows in
everything from equipment instructions to technical papers. Everyone is
too proud to use a translator, and half the time we get gibberish. I
don't mind if some new world language evolves out of English, as long as
it has a consistent grammar and syntax. Much of the stuff we read has
neither.</div><div> </div><div>Paul<br><br>----------<br><br><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font size="2">From: </font><a href="mailto:mike.keach@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#cc0060">Mike Wintzer</span> <span class="go">k9mw@yahoo.com</span></span></a></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font size="2">Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Language politics" 2011.06.02 (01) [EN]</span><span></span><span></span></p>
</div></div><br><div>Hi all,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Paul writes: «surely any citizen of Germany needs to speak German»</div>
<div>Step out of the box with me for a moment, Paul. I am born in LS, </div>
<div>I speak LS, why would I need to speak the language of a neighbouring </div>
<div>region? Yes, Germany considers LS part of itself, but if it suppresses </div>
<div>my mothertongue by imposing their foreign language in education,</div>
<div>media, administration, I tell them leave LS alone. It's not your country.</div>
<div>I don't want to be a citizen of your country.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Marlou writes: «The only winner would be the lingua franca.»</div>
<div>You put your finger there on THE great danger. If the l.f.</div>
<div>inherits the rôle of our present so-called «national»</div>
<div>languages, i.e. highly prestigious, the language of the</div>
<div>more educated, in fact a mother tongue to some, the</div>
<div>most educated and priviledged, then we are back to the</div>
<div>same mess, only on a larger scale. The beginning of</div>
<div>this you describe so poignantly for Germany. It is even</div>
<div>more advanced in some countries such as the Netherlands.</div>
<div>The boundaries of the lingua franca would have to be</div>
<div>defined in a strict legal framework, in the regional Constitutions:</div>
<div>Indiginous language for all domains of public life, administration,</div>
<div>education, media etc. with the use of the lingua france </div>
<div>strictly limited to interregional communication, e.g.</div>
<div>the European government, bi-lingual road signs or</div>
<div>a Catalan having to defend himself in a Welsh court.</div>
<div>I know this requires out-of-the-box thinking which most</div>
<div>people, including governments, are not capable of.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sincere greetings, Mike Wintzer</div><br><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center">
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