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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"> </font></p><font style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">From: </font><span><span style="color:#5b1094">Marcus Buck</span> <span><a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org" target="_blank">list@marcusbuck.org</a></span></span><font style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2"><br>
Subject: </font><span>LL-L "Etymology" 2011.06.05 (02) [DE-EN</span><br><span>
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<font style="font-size:10pt" size="2">From: </font><span><span style="color:rgb(121, 6, 25)">M.-L.
Lessing</span> <span><a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de" target="_blank">marless@gmx.de</a></span></span><br>
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<div><font size="4">delicious
soy bean sprouts</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">Maybe
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Delicious sprouts? Unfortunate timing ;-) An hour ago the NDR
broadcast the press conference where they announced that the most
likely source is not cucumbers, tomatoes or salad, but ... sprouts.<br><div>
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From: R. F. Hahn <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br style="color:rgb(51, 0, 153)">
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<div style="margin-left:40px"><span style="color:rgb(51, 0, 153)">... or
a German loan
from times
before the
Middle High
German
diphthongization.</span><br>
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But in that case
it should have
gone through <i>Dutch</i>
diphthongization
(> *<i>kijm</i>),
or?<br>
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In
<a href="http://books.google.de/books?id=DCGDjtuKUfEC&pg=PA79&dq=%2BDiftongering+%2Bij&hl=de&ei=3rrrTd2lEIWd-wa8wJDADw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%2BDiftongering%20%2Bij&f=false" target="_blank"><http://books.google.de/books?id=DCGDjtuKUfEC&pg=PA79&dq=%2BDiftongering+%2Bij&hl=de&ei=3rrrTd2lEIWd-wa8wJDADw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%2BDiftongering%20%2Bij&f=false></a>
I read that the process in the Dutch language began in Brabant in
the 14th century and ended in Holland in the 16th century.<br>
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The dtv-Atlas Deutsche Sprache, p. 146, says that the German
diphthongization began in Carinthia in the 12th century and ended in
the Rhineland in the 16th century. The Alemannic region never
participated in the diphthongization. So depending on the exact time
and place it could have been loaned from German to Dutch without
going through the process in any of both languages. Another possible
diphthongization-preventing influence mentioned in the entry at
Etymologiebank is Latin cyma, which means 'sprout' (these damn
sprouts, always mingling with stuff).<br>
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Marcus Buck<br><br>
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</font>From: <span><span style="color:#790619">Henno Brandsma</span> <span><a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl" target="_blank">hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a></span></span>
<div><font style="font-size:10pt" size="2">Subject: </font><span>LL-L "Etymology" 2011.06.05 (02) [DE-EN</span><br><font style="font-size: 10pt;" size="2">
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</font><font style="font-size:10pt" size="2">From: </font><span><span style="color:#5b1094">Theo Homan</span> <span><a href="mailto:theohoman@yahoo.com" target="_blank">theohoman@yahoo.com</a></span></span><font style="font-size:10pt" size="2"><br>
Subject: </font><span>LL-L "Etymology" 2011.06.04 (06) [EN]</span><br><span>
<br></span><div style="margin-left:40px"><span style="color:rgb(51, 0, 153)">From: R. F. Hahn </span><br style="color:rgb(51, 0, 153)"><span style="color:rgb(51, 0, 153)">[...]</span></div><div style="color:rgb(51, 0, 153);margin-left:40px">
<br>First of all, I am surprised the Dutch word is kiem rather than expected *kijm. Is it a Saxon loan?<br><br>The Herkunftsduden claims that this word group exists only in the "German and Dutch" area.<br></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><span style="color:rgb(51, 0, 153)">[...]</span><br></div><br>Hi,<br><br>I would like to put icel. keim(u)r = flavour in this word-family.<br>And I have the impression that Herr Duden didn't speak oldicelandic.<br>
<br>And the old root would then be something like *ki.<br><br>Concerning Dutch kiem vs. *kijm: I hope that some wise people can have a little talk about this.<br><br>vr. gr.<br><font color="#888888">Theo Homan</font><br>
<br><div>I looked it up in my trusty Etymologisch Woordenboek van het Nederlands.</div><div>I assumed that it was influence from eastern dialects (as "boer" [farmer] for expected "buur",</div><div>"poes" for expected (and actually attested!) "puis" [cat, pussycat]) etc.</div>
<div>I was sort of right, I suppose:</div><div><br></div><div><quote></div><div>kiem zn. 'plantbeginsel in rijp zaad'</div><div>Onl. kīmo 'kiem' [10e eeuw; W. Ps] (Henno: Wachtendonker Psalmen, Onl = Old Dutch); mnl 'kyme 'id'</div>
<div>[1477; Teuth]; vnnl kiem, kieme 'kiem, stek, loot, spruit' [1599, Kil.]</div><div>Erfwoord,
ontwikkeld uit Proto-Germaans *kīma- 'kiem'. De vroege geschiedenis in
het Nederlands is echter onduidelijk. Onl. kīmo zou leiden to mnl.
*kijme, nnl. *kijm, maar deze woorden zijn niet geattesteerd. Voor vnnl.
kiem (door Kiliaan nog Duits en Saksisch genoemd) kan daarom misschien
ontlening aan Middelnederduits of Middelhoogduits kīme worden
aangenomen, of invloed van een Oost-Nederlands dialect. Ook invloed van
Latijn cyma 'spruit' (ontleend aan Grieks kūma) is niet uitgesloten.</div><div></quote></div><div><br></div><div>Then
follows a list of Old Germanic forms, explaining that the root is *ki-
and the ending is -ma, which is also used in "bloem", "galm", "zoom".</div><div>*ki comes from proto-germanic "kei-", 'opspringen, openspringen'</div><div>plus
some other formations and derivations, and Indo-European cognate words,
like Armenian "cil", spruit, loot, Latvian "žiêdêt", 'bloeien'</div><div>from Indo-European *ģiH(dh)-</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Groetnis,</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>
Henno Brandsma</div></font><br>----------<br><br>From: Hannelore Hinz <a href="mailto:hannehinz@t-online.de" target="_blank"><hannehinz@t-online.de></a><br>
Subject: Lexicon<br>
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Hallo Ron un Lowlanners.<br>
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Ick heff Glück hatt.<br>
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<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keim" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keim</a><br>
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... näumt "Stadien" von "Keim".<br>
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So hett mi dat ok Ch. verklort.<br>
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Jedein "Keim" kann Läwen tügen (erzeugen) för Planten, Dierten un
Minschen.<br>
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Dat Wurd "Keim" is all lang' begäng'.<br>
(Mikrobe (Keim) kann auch ein Krankheitserreger sein, wie z.B.
EHEC.)<br>
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<b>Mikrobe: </b>Die seit dem 19. Jh. bezeugte, aus dem <i>Frz.
(frz: </i>microbe) übernommende Bezeichnung für mikroskopisch
kleine pflanzliche oder tierische Lebewesen (Mikroorganismen) ist
eine gelehrte Neubildung des französischen Militärarztes Charles
Sédillot (1804 - 1883) aus <i>griech. </i>mikrós "klein" (vgl. <i>mikro....,
Mikro...) </i>und <i>griech. </i>bios "Leben" (vgl. <i>bio...,
Bio...)<br>
</i>DUDEN 7 Herkunftswörterbuch.<br>
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Na ja, dat wier't.<br>
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Hartlich.<br>
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Hanne<br>
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