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From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#00681c">Hellinckx Luc</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a></span></span></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Culture"</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Beste Roger,</span><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br><div><div>Je schreef:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><div><div>
<div><div><div><div><div><div>We live in a world in movement. Migration, whether legal or not, is
changing social patterns. In the Brussels municipality of Molenbeek most
inhabitants are migrants of the last few decades. Many came from Morocco. There
is a lot of social pressure on us, Belgian aboriginals, to adjust to the new
culture. A union of policemen complains that in Molenbeek police officers are no
longer allowed to eat, smoke and issue fines during daylight in the ramadan
period. Although this is officially denied, the pressure is apparently
real.</div>
<div>cf. <a href="http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Belgie/article/detail/1280367/2011/06/18/Molenbeekse-agenten-moeten-meedoen-aan-ramadan.dhtml" target="_blank">http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Belgie/article/detail/1280367/2011/06/18/Molenbeekse-agenten-moeten-meedoen-aan-ramadan.dhtml</a></div>
<div><em>"Molenbeekse agenten moeten meedoen aan ramadan"</em></div>
<div><em>De politieagenten in Molenbeek moeten meedoen met de ramadan. Ze mogen
niet eten of drinken overdag, en niet verbaliseren. Dat zeggen interne
politiebronnen aan de krant Het Laatste Nieuws en het wordt bevestigd door
politievakbond NSPV. Een woordvoerster van de gemeente ontkent dit. </em></div>
<div><em>Bart Velle, verantwoordelijke bij de neutrale politievakbond NSPV voor
de Brusselse gemeenten, zegt dat hij al meerdere klachten in die zin heeft
gekregen, en dat al enkele jaren op rij. Over de vraag om niet te verbaliseren
of niet te eten of drinken, bestaat evenwel geen officiële nota. "Ik krijg
klachten van collega's daarover, en ik geloof die mensen. Maar er staat niets op
papier. Ik heb geen bewijzen", aldus Velle.</em></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Denk
jij dat politie tijdens dat andere feest (karnaval, innig verweven met
het katholicisme) even streng optreedt tegen dronken burgers,
nachtlawaai en dies meer als tijdens de rest van het jaar?</div><div><br></div><div>Met vriendelijke groet,</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium</div></font></div></div><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">Pat Barrett</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:pbarrett@cox.net">pbarrett@cox.net</a></span></span></div>
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Subject: </span><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Culture" 2011.06.18 (01) [EN-NL]</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Yes, Americans are overwhelmingly religious. How
deep that religion is is another question. I work in a Catholic school, am
resolutely secular, and have no problems. </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">As I indicated in an earlier post, our divisions
are along racial lines, Black/White. As we speak, the Hispanic population of
this country is expanding so that even small towns in out-of-the-way places have
taco stands, but within two generations Hispanics' culture will be like that of
Italian Americans' and Greek Americans', who have little left of their culture
except a few ethnic dishes and perhaps church membership.</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">What seems to protect us from what Europe is going
through (I just saw 2 veils on Muslim women, one a few weeks ago and one a
couple of days ago, on the university campus, my first time seeing veils except
in Muslim settings.) are our institutions, particularly the legal ones. The
Conservatives cries of "Sharia Law is coming to Tulsa" only provoke laughter.
Even in areas of high Muslim concentration, I'm not aware of anyone forcing
changes on Americans. I have a friend, a Pakistani Muslim, who is very
religiously conservative</font> <font size="2">and I can't imagine
him asking anyone to change their institutions to accomodate him. </font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">But, as with us, when large numbers of immigrants
pour into a country, there'd better be some planning. Now people are upset that
whole schools are Spanish-speaking and local institutions have to employ
Sp-speaking staff; what did they expect with their $5.00 hamburgers and $20
shirts?</font></div>
<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">Pat Barrett <a href="mailto:pbarrett@cox.net" target="_blank">pbarrett@cox.net</a><font color="#888888"><br><a href="http://ideas.lang-learn.us/barrett.php" target="_blank">http://ideas.lang-learn.us/barrett.php</a></font></font></div>
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