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==============================</font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">=======================</font></div><font size="2"><br>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">Isaac M. Davis</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:isaacmacdonalddavis@gmail.com">isaacmacdonalddavis@gmail.com</a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.06.23 (02) [DE-EN-NDS]</span><br><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><div><font size="2">Ron Hahn wrote:</font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">Also note Irish Gaelic <i>trosc</i><span>.</span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><font size="2"><br></font></div></div><div><font size="2">This is almost certainly from Old Norse, like a lot of maritime vocabulary in Irish.</font></div>
<div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2"></font></div><div><font size="2">Best,</font></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><font size="2">Isaac M. Davis</font></div><div><font size="2"> </font></div>
</div><font color="#888888" size="2">-- <br><br>"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master."<br>—Abraham Lincoln</font><p style="text-align: left;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">----------</font></p>
<font size="2">From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);"></span></span></font><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">Mike Morgan</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:mwmbombay@gmail.com">mwmbombay@gmail.com</a></span></span><font size="2"><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);"></span><span class="go"></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI"></span></font><span class="gI">LL-L "Phonology" 2011.06.23 (02) [DE-EN-NDS]</span><font size="2"><span class="gI"></span><br>
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<br>Malayalam for Reef Cod / <em>Epinephelus tauvina</em> (Atlantic cod of course does not make it to these waters) is <i>(Panni) Kalawa/Kalava</i>...
as I am no expert on Dravidian etymologies (especially fish names), I
won't testify to it, but it seems remotely possible, given the
geographic location of Kerala relative to (once Portuguese) Goa, and a
metathesis slightly more convoluted than the bacalau>kabelau, that
Kalava could ALSO belong to this group of words... and if so, then also
Malay Kerapu, Tagalog Kalapo, Ilokano Kurapo (all with syllable order
231) and Aceh Baraka (syllable order 132) as well?<div><div><span id="q_130bdc193276a069_1" class="h4">- Show quoted text -</span></div></div>-- <br>mwm || U C > || mike || мика || माईक || マイク || மாய்க் (aka Dr Michael W Morgan)<br>
<br>Senior Consultant<br>BA in Applied Sign Language Studies (BAASLS)<br><i>इन्दिरा</i> गांधी राष्ट्रीय मुक्त विश्वविद्यालय | Indira Gandhi National Open University, New Delhi, India<br>
<br><p>"<span>Too
often we honor swagger and bluster and wielders of force; too often we
excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered
dreams of others. ... [T]here is another kind of violence, slower but
just as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is
the violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow
decay." (Bobby Kennedy, 5 April 1968)</span></p>----------<br><br><font size="2">From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);"></span></span></font>"Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>><font size="2"><br>
Subject: <span class="gI"></span></font>LL-L "Kabeljaauw"<font size="2"><br>
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<br><div>Dear vischliefhebbersch...</div>
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<div>> Nl.: Kabeljaauw</div>
<div><a name="130bdaff3dcda6d4_houttuynkabeljauwen"><strong><u>Martinus Houttuyn
(1765)</u></strong></a><u> geeft een <i>Beschryving van</i> 't Geslagt
<i>der</i> KABELJAAUWEN,</u> <i>waar in een Omstandig Berigt van den</i>
Kabeljaauw-Vangst <i>in</i> Noorwegen, <i>op de</i> Terreneussche <i>Banken en
aan onze</i> Stranden, <i>als ook, van de Bereiding tot</i> Stokvisch <i>en</i>
Labberdaan <i>gegeven, en verder gesproken wordt van de</i> Leng, Kole,
Schelvisch, Steenbolk , Wyting, Molenaa, Puit-Aal <i>en andere Visschen, tot dit
Geslagt behoorende</i>. <br><br><b><u>Naam</u></b><br>Een zeer uitgebreid
Geslagt van Visschen komt hier voor onder den Hoofdnaam <i>Gadus</i>, dien wy,
om de benaaming te gebruiken van het voortreffelykste, begrypen onder den
Geslagtnaam van KABELJAUW; welke uit zig zelf, en in de gewoone Spreektrant,
reeds verscheide Soorten bevat. 't Woord <i>Gadus</i> is, in 't Grieksch, by
ATHENÆUS gebruikt geweest doch duister van afleiding, en men heeft deeze
Visschen, gemeenlyk, in 't Latyn, met den naam van <i>Asellus</i> betekend.
<u>Met het Engelsch woord <i>Cod</i> schynt hy niet weinig overeenkomst te
hebben.<br></u></div>
<div><a name="130bdaff3dcda6d4_schlegelkabeljauwen"><strong><u>Prof. H. Schlegel
(1862)</u></strong></a><u> over DE DORSCHVISSCHEN. (GADI.):<br></u>Men vereenigt
onder dezen naam de visschen, welke in hun maaksel min of meer overeenkomen met
onzen kabeljaauw en schelvisch.<br><a href="http://members.casema.nl/b.zoetemeyer/gadi.htm" target="_blank">http://members.casema.nl/b.zoetemeyer/gadi.htm</a></div>
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<div><strong>Grimm:</strong></div>
<div><span>kabliau</span><span>,
</span><span>auch</span><span>
</span><span>kabeljau</span><span>, </span><span>kabelau</span><span>
(</span><span>brem. wb.</span><span>), </span><span>bei</span><span> </span><span>Schottel</span><span>
</span><span>1296</span><span>
cabelliau, </span><span>bei</span><span> </span><span>Steinbach</span><span> kappelau,
</span><span>m. seefisch vom geschlecht der dörsche,
gadus morhua. in vocabb. des</span><span> 15.
</span><span>jh.</span><span>
meruta, cabeliau </span><span>vel</span><span> bulche (</span><span>vgl.
u.</span><span> kablen), cabbelyau, kabylygauwe
</span><span>Dief.</span><span> </span><span>gl.</span><span> </span><span>317</span><span>b</span><span>. 358</span><span>c</span><span>, </span><span>im Teuthon.</span><span>
cabliauwe. </span><span>er kommt in mehrfacher
zubereitung als</span><span> stockfisch, laberdan,
klippfisch, hängefisch, flachfisch, langfisch, breitfisch </span><span>in den handel. aber frisch, ungetrocknet heiszt er
nl.</span><span> kibbeling, </span><span>und das klingt mit</span><span> kabbeljau </span><span>nah
verwandt. s. auch</span><span> </span><a href="http://urts55.uni-trier.de:8080/Projekte/WBB2009/DWB/wbgui_py?bookref=2,229,47&mode=&prefix=&patternlist=" target="_blank"><span style="border-right:#9cd065 1px solid;border-top:#9cd065 1px solid;border-left:#9cd065 1px solid;border-bottom:#9cd065 1px solid;background-color:#cee8b3">DWB</span>
<span>bolch</span></a><span>.
</span><span>Der ursprung ist dunkel, der name ist bei
den verschiedenen seefahrenden völkern in der hauptsache derselbe, nur die
Engländer nennen ihn</span><span> cod, codfish;
</span><u><span>wir haben ihn von den Holländern,
nnl.</span><span> kabeljaauw, </span><span>früher</span></u><span><u>
kabbeljau</u> </span><span>f., bei</span><span> </span><span>Kilian</span><span> kabeliau, kableau; </span><span>vergl. nl.</span><span>
bakkeljauw </span><span>m. eine art ungetrockneter
stockfische</span><span> (</span><span>vgl.</span><span> </span><span>Diez</span><span>
</span><span>583</span><span>),
</span><span>und</span><span>
kablen, </span><span>das auf den ursprung leiten
könnte. Wie bei andern waarennamen, wird auch hier der sing. als collectiv für
die menge gesetzt,</span><span> sechs tonnen kabliau.
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<div><span>Mit een vrundelike groet uut
STellingwarf,</span></div>
<div><span>Piet Bult</span></div><br>----------<br><br>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><font size="2">From:
R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology </font></p><font size="2">
</font><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"> </font></p><font size="2">
And then there is English "cod," apparently of unknown origin and not related to "cod" as in "codpiece."<br><br><span class="hps">Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA</span></font><br><p style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">==============================</font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">===========================<br>
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