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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Names" 2011.06.30 (03) [EN]</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> From: M.-L. Lessing <a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a></font><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> Subject: LL-L "Names" 2011.06.30 (02) [EN-NL]</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> ??? In Germany as ü? This surprises me. "Thies" is a very common family name in northern germany. I would have pronounced "Thijes" somewhat like it. Am I very wrong?</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I lived some time in Essen-Heissingen and there people pronounced "Tüs" for Thys/Thijs.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I guess it is by analogy to Thyssen, better known in that area.</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> Subject: Names </font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> I have come across the surname Thyssen</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The industrial Thyssen have their roots in Aachen,</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">cf. <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyssen_(Unternehmerfamilie)">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyssen_(Unternehmerfamilie)</a></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">August Thyssen studied at the commercial high school in Antwerp</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">cf. <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Thyssen">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Thyssen</a></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards,</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Roger</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">----------</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: <a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a></font><div>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Names" 2011.06.30 (03) [EN]</font></div></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></font></div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">
<font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Subject: Names</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">
<font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Roger, Lowlanders,</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">
<font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I kind of go along with what Marlou writes above, although I would pronounce</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Thies, which is also spelled Thieß in Germany, [tʰiːs].</font></font></div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I have never encountered the spelling Thys in Germany. If it *is* used, I</font></font></div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> expect the older pronunciation to have been [tiːs] and more recently (under</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">
<font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Classicistic influence) have become [tʰyːs].</font></font></div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I have come across the surname Thyssen ("son of Thys") several times and it</font></font></div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> was pronounced [ˈtʰyːsən] or [ˈtʰʏsən]. Originally it must have been</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> *[ˈtʰiːsə(n)]. (It's related to English Matthews, Danish Madsen, Swedish</font></font></div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Mattson, etc.)</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Middle Saxon and Early Modern Low Saxon have Matties [ˈmatis] and Mattis</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px">
<font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> [ˈmatɪs] for Matthew (< Latin *Matthæus, Matthias* < Greek Ματθαῖος *</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Matthaɪ̃os* < Hebrew מתתיהו *Matiθyahu*). As far as I know, this did not</font></font></div>
<div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> come to be reduced to the second syllable since stress is on the first</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> syllable.</font></font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> You can map first names in Germany at <<a href="http://www.gen-evolu.de/">http://www.gen-evolu.de/</a>>. "Thies" is solely common in Schleswig-Holstein and a narrow stripe of bordering northeastern Lower Saxony.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I don't know exactly about Middle Saxon, but the modern name "Matthias" is stressed on the second syllable and I don't see why this shouldn't have been the case with the precursor of the "Thies" variant.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Closely related is the name "Theis" which also occurs in the north of Germany and goes back to "Tewes" and (at least that's what I think) "Matthäus".</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">It did come to be reduced to Matt, however, and in extension to</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> familiar Matten (as in "Matten Has'" - http:/<a href="http://lowlands-l.net/groth/matten.php">lowlands-l.net/groth/matten.php</a></font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I'm pretty sure that "Matten Has'" is from "Martin" not "Matthew".</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Marcus Buck</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: Hannelore Hinz <<a href="mailto:hannehinz@t-online.de">hannehinz@t-online.de</a>></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Subject: LL-L "Names" 2011.06.30 (03) [EN]</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Beste Frünn',</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> ick müßt' eins in leege Tieden bi ein' Grotbuern in Schwerin-Warnitz Hufe 1 deinen un de hett heiten : </font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Ehlers-Thiessen. Thiessen hebben wi ümmer mit ein langet i snackt.</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Hartlich.</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> Hanne</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div>
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