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</font></div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: "Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Etymology"</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dear Paul,</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">You wrote: has it [ baie ] crept in to Hollands then?</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In my opinion, no, it has not. Baie has nothing to do with Dutch. We do use it sometimes, only as a funny word and everyone in Holland knows what it means.</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">With kind regards from Stellingwarf,</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Piet Bult</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: Henno Brandsma <a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl">hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.07.04 (03) [EN]</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><div><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Paul Finlow-Bates <a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.07.03 (01) [AF-EN-NL]</font></font></div><div><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The first time I went to the Netherlands I got talking about language, especially Afrikaans (I lived in SA back then). I commented that Afrikaans had "baie" rather than "veel", and they said that Dutch people would still know what I meant. I didn't know about the Malay origin at the time so I thought it was a Dutch dialect word; has it crept in to Hollands then?</font></font></div>
<div><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><div><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Paul</font></font></div><div><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Derby</font></font></div>
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</font></font></div></div></div><div style="margin-left: 0px"><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">No, Dutch people with no knowledge of Afrikaans would consider "baie" to be strange and in need of explanation. They might guess the meaning from context, but no Dutch dialect that I know of has a similar word meaning "much", "very", "a lot" etc. Colloquial Dutch and dialects have "baaie(n)" for "to bathe", as has West Frisian (baaie). Baai is also "bay" and the name of a type of cloth. But these are unrelated etymologically. </font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">regards,</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Henno Brandsma</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: Henno Brandsma <a href="mailto:hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl">hennobrandsma@hetnet.nl</a></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.07.04 (01) [EN-FY-NL]</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
</font></div></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font color="#000099"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: "Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Etymologie"</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Bêste Henno,</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Do skreaudest >: "Bannich". It's not a very common word.</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hoe mannich kear moat in wurd brûkt (skreaun) wurde eart it in 'common word' wurd..? Yn it archief van de LC <a href="http://www.archiefleeuwardercourant.nl/index.do">http://www.archiefleeuwardercourant.nl/index.do</a> (net bepaald de mearst Frysksinnige krânte) is it alteast yn it ôfrûne aprilmoanne noch wol in kear as sân/acht brûkt.</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Mei freonlike groetnisse uut Fryslân,</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Piet Bult</font></font></div><div style="margin-left: 0px">
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Nuver, at ik yn datselde argyf sykje fyn ik neat út april, mar wol fan earder, en in protte derfan binnen kollums fan de (no spitigernôch ferstoarne) skriuwer Trinus Riemersma. Net alle "hits" (ik haw der 141, maar der binne wat dûbelden by) lykje sels ek mar it wurd te befetsjen (dat de OCR liket net altyd like betrouber). Bannich is yndie in frekwint wurd by Trinus, mar dit is wat fan syn taal, al kin it algemien mear gebrûklik wêze om Ferwert hinne.</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">At je syn kollums derútfilterje soene, en de dûbelden en flaters ek, hâlde je net safolle oer. Ien of twa kear jiers. </font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Boppedat is it net te ferlykjen mei de frekwinsje fan "baie" yn it Afrikaans. It liket ûnwierskynlik dat in wurd dat net safolle sein wurdt sa djip as heechfrekwint wurd yn in oare taal trochkringe soe. </font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Mei freonlike groetnisse, (net mear út Fryslân)</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Henno Brandsma</font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin-left: 40px"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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