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</div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>From: </span>Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:roerd096@PLANET.NL">roerd096@PLANET.NL</a>><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">
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Subject: </span>LL-L "Language varieties" 2011.07.07 (07) [EN]<br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></span>Hi. Thanks, Rein, I don't even know how long ago it was I sent my last
message here, over four years maybe? And even longer that I was an
active member of this list, I suppose most people don't even remember my
name...<br>
<br>
Yes, aren't these Surinamese Inland people just absolutely great? And I
find their accent in Dutch probably the sweetest there is.<br>
<br>
I wonder whether the Surinamese accent makes Dutch easier or harder to
understand for others, e.g. for Belgians/Flemish, South Africans and
Dutch language students.<br>
How does this accent sound in your ears?<br>
<br>
Ingmar<br>
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<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">From: R. F. Hahn <[log in to unmask]></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Subject: Language varieties</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Hi, Ingmar!</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
It's really great to hear from you again. And thanks for the link:</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kQP_iecwMA&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kQP_iecwMA&feature=related</a><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Here is the first video in the series:</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut4608jw6Gs&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut4608jw6Gs&feature=related</a><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
I really enjoyed the videos, found them very interesting and understood those people's Dutch almost perfectly.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Thanks for sharing it!</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Regards,</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Seattle, USA</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
P.S.: Still hoping to get Wren translations in language varieties of Suriname and elsewhere.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);" href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/" target="_blank">http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/</a><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"></div><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br>----------<br>
<br>From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">></span><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">
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Subject: Language varieties</span><br><br>Hi, Ingmar!<br><br>I found it charming.<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA<br><br>----------<br><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">From: </span>Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:roerd096@PLANET.NL">roerd096@PLANET.NL</a>><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">
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Subject: </span>LL-L "Language politics" 2011.06.04 (02) [EN]<br><br>Hi James, Paul e.a.<br>
As you see I'm a maybe still member of this list ;-) but not an active
one anymore for ages. By coincidence I just took a look of triplll a few
days ago, and now I read that Middelsprake was recently mentioned here.
For the people that don't have a clue about MS, read the description
here below:<br>
<br>
Middelspraak (kort: MS) is een kunstlig maked spraak dat is basered up
de wichtigest levend Germanisch sprake. De grammatika is simpel on
regelmatig, wat make dat licht to lerne. Man kan forgelike Middelspraak
mid Interlingua, de kunstlig spraak basered up Latin/Romanisch, in dat
for de meest sprekers af een oller meer Germanisch sprake, mennig af een
MS tekst schal wese forstaan direkt, uter enig to lerne fyrst. De
levend Germanisch sprake, uter Engelisch, have rund 170 miljon sprekers.<br>
For Engelisch sprekers MS is okso mennig lichter to lerne dan, saege, Duetisch, Nederlandisch oller Swedisch.<br>
MS have een regelmatig spelling, aleen regelmatig wirk-worde, aleen een
enig kyn on een enig fal, regelmatig meertal on kenne nik een "umlaut".<br>
Du kan finde uut meer af de spraak's grammatika, wordschat, tekste, luud-dokuments etc. in de "Files" afdeling.<br>
Middelspraak is een af de variants af Folkspraak<br>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Middelsprake/" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Middelsprake/</a><br>
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Middelsprake (abbreviation MS, "Middelspraak" in the language itself) is
a constructed language based on the main living Germanic languages. Its
grammar is simple and regular which makes it easy to learn.
Middelsprake can be compared with Interlingua, the Latin/Romance conlang
in that for most speakers of one or several Germanic languages, much of
a MS text will be understood readily without any previous learning. The
modern Germanic languages, apart from English, have about 170 million
speakers. For English speakers MS is also much easier to learn than say
German, Dutch or Swedish.<br>
It has a regular orthography, only regular verbs, just one gender and one grammatical case, regular plural and no umlaut.<br>
You can find out more about the language's grammar, vocabulary, texts, sound files etc. in the Files section, above left.<br>
Middelsprake is one of the varieties of Folkspraak<br>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Middelsprake/" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Middelsprake/</a><br>
<br>
Ingmar Roerdinkholder<br>
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From: James Ward <a href="mailto:jamesward@earthlink.net">jamesward@earthlink.net</a><br>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2011.06.03 (01) [EN-NDs]<br>
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Paul Finlow-Bates wrote:<br>
<br>
> There's a northern, pan-Germanic equivalent called Middelsprake.
Ingmar Roerdinkholder, formerly (and maybe still) of this list, sent me
an outline course in it afew years ago. He used to post in it from time
to time as well. Fairly easy to follow if you know some English,
German, Dutch and maybe a bit of a Scandinavian language.<br>
<br>
I had a look at this -- it seems fun! And it doesn't have to carry the
weight of hopes for world peace :) (Maybe if we could make hoping for
world peace fun, we'd really be getting somewhere!)<br>
<br>
With best wishes as I sign off for a two-week vacation --<br>
<br>
James Ward<br></div>
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