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</div>From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:roerd096@PLANET.NL">roerd096@PLANET.NL</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]<br>
<br>Hi Wolfram, well that confirms completely my own experience: I was born
in Winterswijk where a Low Saxon variety close to Westphalian is spoken,
and there I never heard this ingressive ja. But when we moved up North
to Drenthe, bordering Niedersachsen, I started to notice that people
were "inhaling" their ja sometimes, both in Low Saxon and when speaking
standard Dutch.<br>
Women use it more often than men, pupils more often than teachers,
nurses more often than doctors, employees more often than bosses, it
seems. Maybe that's why to me it sounds kind of introvert, submissive
even, as if the people using it in a conversation have a lower position,
as if they are obliged to confirm and support the other person by their
inhaled ja...<br>
But maybe that's just my own interpretation, maybe I'm completely wrong about that.<br>
<br>
Very funny what you wrote about omitting pauses in speech because you
can keep talking! But then, one would expect this rather in less
Northern languages like Italian or American English, I mean
Scandinavians or North Germans are not exactly known for talking all the
time without pauses, are they? ;-)<br>
<br>
Btw your remark also reminded me at the circular breathing of didgeridoo players<br>
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Groeten<br>
Ingmar<br>
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From: Wolfram Antepohl </span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);" href="mailto:wolfram@antepohl.se">wolfram@antepohl.se</a><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (01) [EN]</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
An ingressive "ja" (how would you actually write that?) Is very common
in several Swedish Dialects, especially in Norrland and Småland. I have
aatually adapted to using it - it can make your speech very effective as
you can omit the pauses that otherwise occur when you breathe in ...
;-)</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Never came across this habit i my native area in the Sauerland part of Westphalia.</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Greetings</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
Wolfram</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
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--</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);">
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</span><a style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102);" href="mailto:wolfram@antepohl.se">wolfram@antepohl.se</a><br></div><br>----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Phonology<br><br>I wonder if ingression of affirmatives has something to do with unobtrusive speech: responding in the affirmative without wanting to interrupt the other speaker's flow. This might explain why it tends to be used more by women in some languages.<br>
<br>As for ingressive expressions of surprise, they may be linked with holding one's breath.<br>
<br>Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA<br><br>----------<br><br>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#790619">Sandy Fleming</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:fleemin@live.co.uk">fleemin@live.co.uk</a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]<br><br></span>> From: Wolfram Antepohl <a href="mailto:wolfram@antepohl.se">wolfram@antepohl.se</a><br>
> Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (01) [EN]<br>
<br>
> An ingressive "ja" (how would you actually write that?) Is very common<br>
in several Swedish Dialects, especially in Norrland and Småland. I have<br>
aatually adapted to using it - it can make your speech very effective as<br>
you can omit the pauses that otherwise occur when you breathe in ...<br>
;-)Never came across this habit i my native area in the Sauerland part of Westphalia.<br>
In Scots I tend to associate this with women's speech
particularly, but men use it too. It's particularly noticeable when
talking about something "scandalous" as if sucking it in will somehow
stop it from getting out!<br>
<br>
There's an ingressive "ay" (meaning "yes") when expressing agreement: it
usually sounds like a loud whisper, though an effort can be made to
make it more vocal.<br>
<br>
There's an ingressive "oh", which is often vocal and protracted, which
is make when the speaker is surprised or scandalised by a piece of news.<br>
<br>
There's an ingressive "eh" ([e:] in my dialect). It's hard to translate
the meaning of this, but it has to do with complicity ("ah, I know what
you're saying"). Again, making it ingressive suggests fascinated
disapproval :)<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Sandy Fleming<br>
<a href="http://scotstext.org/" target="_blank">http://scotstext.org/</a></font><br><br>----------<br><br>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">M.-L. Lessing</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]<br><br></span><div><font size="4">I could'nt quite imagine what these ingressive sounds should
be, but after listening to the sound files Ron linked it seems all very natural
to me, and I dare say it is found in many more languages -- it is a natural
sound of surprise or fright! Imagine sitting in a cinema and watching a film,
the unsuspecting hero in the foreground, and suddenly the bad guy appear in the
background, pointing a gun towards the hero! All the cinema goes
<em>Hhhhah!</em> -- which is an ingressive hah, mind you. Or imagine a car race,
a risky overtaking manoevre -- <em>Hhhah!!!</em> And imagine christmas eve, the
living room doors opening for the children to see the christmas tree and
presents, they all go <em>Hhhaah!</em> too. I have heard this hundreds of times
from people of different countries. The list of languages that know the sound
confuses me. Are there any folks who do <em><strong>not</strong></em>, in a
moment of tension or surprise, breathe in with a sound?!</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">And of course I have heard the ingressive purring from cats!
The cheetah purr on the site Ron linked is great, but IBM (Integra Battlepunk
Mietzenhaps, my partner's cat, now dead) was an outstanding performer in
the art of ingressive purring during her lifetime, creating the best resonance
and loudest purr when breathing in.</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">Hartlich</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">Marlou</font></div>
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<br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">There is an informative web presentation on
the topic: <a href="http://ingressivespeech.info/" target="_blank">http://ingressivespeech.info/</a><br></div><br>----------<br><br>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">M.-L. Lessing</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]<br><br></span><font size="4">P.S. Oh, I forgot snoring! Many people who snore make the
louder sound when breathing in. This must be somehow related to purring, I think
-- expressing comfortable relaxation or so :-) And I bet you this type of
snoring is done by snorers of all languages!</font><br><span class="gI"><br>----------<br><br></span>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">M.-L. Lessing</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]<br><br></span><font size="4">P.P.S. Ach ja, und die hier -- die Esel: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApTC3n8Fm40" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApTC3n8Fm40</a> They
breathe in with their "i"!</font><br><span class="gI"><br>----------<br><br></span>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">M.-L. Lessing</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]<br><br>
</span><font size="4">P.P.P.S. And Hanne, whom I phoned just now, perfectly imitates
a cock's cry by breathing in part of the cry!</font><br><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span>
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