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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#00681c">Sid</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:retrad@peoplepc.com">retrad@peoplepc.com</a></span></span>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;">Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.07.31 (01) [EN]</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><br><span class="gI"></span></p><blockquote style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:0px;border-left:#0000ff 2px solid">
From: <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a> <a href="mailto:heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">heatherrendall@tiscali.co.uk</a><br> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.07.28 (04) [EN-NL]<br>
<br> Dear Piet<br><br>What an amazing co-incidence!!! It would fit perfectly. This<br>boundary line 'wraps itself' round old tumuli. Are there corresponding<br>LG / Saxon words?<br><br>Also now searching for the origins of 'hovel' It is frequently used in<br>
deeds and documents dating back 2-3 centuries to denote a small<br>possibly crude dwelling i.e. one up one down cottage or maybe even a<br>single room building. We also have more frequently the word 'hole'<br>Rugg's Hole Strawberry Hole and even believe it or not - a Hole<br>
in the Roadway ( this is how it is named on documents!!!!!) These tend<br>to be larger dwellings and not at all as primitive.<br><br>Query: is hole derived from hovel? or something else? In some of our<br>older documents c 13-15 centuries one of the estates in Wichenford is<br>
known as Ruggehall but a hall denotes a large spacious upmarket type of<br>building and I can't believe hole & hall have direct connection.<br><br>OED gives Hovel as possibly of LG origin but with no corresponding<br>
words. I bet the Forum knows better!!!<br><br>best wishes<br><br>Heather<br>Worcester UKFrom my Skeats Etymological Dictionary (3rd Ed.)<br></blockquote><br>HOVEL: a small hut, <i>hovylle</i>, a small house, <i>hovyl</i> for swine, or other <i>beestys</i>; from <i>hufe</i>, a hood. German <i>haube</i>, a hood. See <i>hive</i><br>
<br>Sid in Maryland<br><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102);">[Sam Claire]</span><br><br>----------<br><br><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.07.31 (01) [EN]</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear Heather,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">You
ask about ‘hovel’. There is a Dutch word ‘heuvel’ which means hill.
Maybe part of the old dwellings in your neck of the woods was partially
built into the hillside? I do not know about the etymology of ‘hole’ and
can’t look it up at the moment, because the interior of my house is
being worked on and all my books are in boxes under an enormous blue
tarp on my deck……</span></p>
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Jacqueline<br>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color: rgb(91, 16, 148);">From: </span></span><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#790619">Pat Reynolds</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:pat@caerlas.co.uk">pat@caerlas.co.uk</a></span></span>
</p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;">Subject: <span class="gI"></span><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.07.31 (03) [EN]</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><br><span class="gI"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Piet wrote</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">“</span></p><div class="im"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">A
'hovel' - in my opinion - has etymologically nothing to do with 'hole'
(Deutsch: höhle). Your 'hole' comes from 'heul' with could be a bow
(builded bridge) of stones/rocks. A hole in Dutch: hol(te), gat (in de
grond); think of playing golf: hole in one. Also the name Holland (The
Netherlands; Pays Bas: Laag Land, Low Land) could possible come from
your 'hole': aflopend land. But beware: een 'hol' kan ook een hoogte
betreffen! </span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The origin of 'hall' is a covered building of stones/rocks (old-LS: halla)</span><span style="color:#1F497D">”</span><span style="color:black"> <br>
<br></span><span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There is an 10<sup>th</sup> century charter which has “</span>þonne on þæne hullan crundel” “and thence to the ‘hullan’ chalk pit/quarry”<span style="color:#1F497D"> (<a href="http://www.esawyer.org.uk/charter/865.html" target="_blank">http://www.esawyer.org.uk/charter/865.html</a>).
Both ‘hullan crundel’ and ‘hullan fortey’ seem to call for a meaning
that describes the ‘crundel or ‘fortey’ in some way. It could be a weak
dative singular noun. Unfortunately, I don’t have access to my
dictionaries, to check genders and strength (or indeed meanings) of the
candidates. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best wishes to all,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Pat <br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">----------</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;">From: Hannelore Hinz <<a href="mailto:hannehinz@t-online.de" target="_blank">hannehinz@t-online.de</a><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.07.31 (03) [EN]<br>
<br>
Hallo Piet un Healter un Lowlanners,<br>
<br>
un nu kam ick.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altstadt_%28Schwerin%29" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altstadt_(Schwerin)</a><br>
<br>
In de Oltstadt bün ick upwussen.<br>
<br>
Bild: Reste der Stadtmauer. Dat is de Burgstraat. Dor hebben wi
Kinner ümmer "Räuber un Soldat" spält. Un gliek rechter Hand üm de
Eck, wier un is noch ümmer de "Grünestraße/Grüne Straße, Gräun
Straat), un von disse Straat kümmt man up den'n "Großer Moor", wi
hebben ümmer "Groten Muur" seggt. Un von de Burgstraat kümmst ok up
den'n Groten Muur.<br>
<br>
<b>Burgstraße</b>: 1880. Eine Burg hat hier nicht gestanden, wohl
aber finden sich Reste der Stadtmauer. 18. Jhdt. <i>Grabenstraße </i>(nur
oberer Teil, nach dem ehemaligen Stadtgraben), um 1800 auch <i>Im
Graben, </i>1819 <i>(Martius) Graben- u. Scharfrichterstraße, </i>1850
<i>(Studemund) Scharfrichterstraße, </i>(Umbenennung in Burgstraße
auf Wunsch der Anwohner)<br>
<br>
<b>Grüne Straße:</b> seit ?, früher vielleicht die <i>Christenstraße<br>
<br>
</i><b>Großer Moor: </b>1430 erwähnt, traditioneller Straßenname,
der auf einen Flurnamen zurückgeht und auf den moorigen Baugrund
hinweist.<br>
<br>
Lit.: Die Schweriner Straßennamen - Ihre Herkunft und Bedeutung -
Landeshauptstadt Schwerin, Vermessungs- und Katasterbehörde.<br>
<br>
Ick gah giern dörch mien Heimatstraaten.<br>
<br>
Hanne</p></div></div><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><br></a></p><div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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