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<p style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"> </font></p><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">From Smuts, Cliff <a href="mailto:csmuts@xsinet.co.za" target="_blank">csmuts@xsinet.co.za</a></span></font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Subject LL Grammar</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Hallo Mark</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Wonderful that you want to learn Afrikaans,
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">which</span></b> I think is not a very
difficult language to learn.</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Regarding the two sentences you gave as
example:</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Sentence no 1 is completely wrong, as a
result of the use of the word “wat”</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">“Dat” is roughly translated with THAT in
most? cases, while “wat” is WHAT in many cases, to keep it simnple.</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">I will now translate my message in
Afrikaans</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;">Hallo
Mark</span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;">Wonderlik
dat jy Afrikaans wil leer, <b><span style="font-weight:bold">wat</span></b> ek
nie dink ’n moeilike taal is om te leer nie.</span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><b><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Wat</span></font></i></b><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;"> betref die twee sinne <b><span style="font-weight:bold">wat</span></b>
jy as voorbeelde gegee het:</span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;">Sin no
1 is heeltemal verkeerd, as gevolg van die gebruik van die woord “wat”</span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;">“Dat”
word ruweg in die meeste gevalle met THAT vertaal, terwyl “wat” in baie gevalle
WHAT is, om dit eenvoudig te stel.</span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><i><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-style: italic;">Ek gaan
nou my boodskap in Afrikaans vertaal</span></font></i></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Regards</span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;"> </span></font></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: navy;">Cliff<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">----------</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></span></font><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From </span></font><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="mailto:csmuts@xsinet.co.za" target="_blank"><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">Mark and Ruth Dreyer</span> <span class="go">mrdreyer@lantic.net</span></span></a><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
</span><p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject </span></font><span class="gI">LL-L "Grammar" 2011.08.08 (01) [AF]</span></p>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:#00681c">Beste Mark</span> <font color="#00681c">:</font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: </span><span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">LL-L
"Grammar"</span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Hiermee jou vraë: Wat
is die verskil tussen “dat” en “wat” in die voorbeelde hieronder:
<strong>My</strong> inset onderaan.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">'Die weer man het gesê wat ons
sal hoë temperatuure hê.'</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">'Die weer man het gesê
dat ons sal hoë temperatuure hê.'</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Die weerburo së wat
ons temperature sal wees.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">(The weather bureau
says what our temperatures shall be.)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"> Nog
'n voorbeeld:</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Meneer, wat sal die
temperatuur wees?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">(Sir, what shall the
temperature be?)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Die weerburo het gesë
dat ons hoë temperature sal hê.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">(Die weather bureau
said that we shall have high temperatures.)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Verwysing: Groot
Woordeboek (vertalend) Kritzinger, Steyn, Schoonees en Cronje.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Soos aangetoon, die
verskil tussen die Afrikaans 'wat' en 'dat' volg die van die Engels 'what' en
'that' redelik getrou: Nie dat die Afrikaans dit uit die Engels geleer het nie,
maar ieder dat beide se gebruike die einste oorsprong het, in 'n gemene
oerdialek, iets tussen WesnederFrankies en Angels.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"> (As
indicated, the difference between Afrikaans 'wat' and 'dat' follows that
of English 'what' and 'that' with reasonable fidelity: Not that
Afrikaans learned it from English, but rather that both usages have the
same source, in a common original dialect, something between West-Netherfrankish
and Anglic.)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Toevallig, soos ek dit
lees is aspekte van die Angelse en latere dialekte (uit die jaargang
1000NC, min of meer) van Eilandengels hartroerend naby aan hedendaagse
Afrikaans. Die ontleding van my volg uit my studie van R Quirk en
C Wrenn se 'An Old English Grammer' onder andere. Sweet se Vroë Wessaksies
inteendeel, wyk merkwaardig weg.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">
(Incidentally, as I read it aspects of the Anglic and later dialects [of about
1000AD, more or less] of Insular English are heart-stirringly close to nowadays
Afrikaans. This analysis of mine follows from my study of R Quirk and C
Wrenn's 'An Old English Grammar' among others. Sweet's Early West Saxon, on the
contrary, deviates considerably.)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Ek sou graag nog inset
lewer oor u brief, Mark, maar ek wil u ieder nie oorweldig nie. Tot dusvêr
klink u Afrikaans redelik goed - heel beter as wat sommiges heirsuids
uitblaker.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"> (I
would willingly offer more input on your letter, Mark, but I would rather not
overwhelm you. To this point your Afrikaans sounds reasonably good far better
than some here in the South blather.)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas"></span> </div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Groete,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Consolas">Mark.</span></div></div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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