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<p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"> </font></p><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2">From: </font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#5b1094">M.-L. Lessing</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:marless@gmx.de">marless@gmx.de</a></span></span><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="2"><br>
Subject: </font><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.10.23 (01) [EN]</span><br><br><div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4">Hello,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4">I fully support Piet's cause! Searching
for words for the "kraak", I find only "Galerie" and "Empore" in my brain
and can hardly believe it. There must be some other, more authentic
word, even in my vocabulary, though well hidden! At least in Platt it
<em>cannot</em> be "Galerie" or "Empore". Help us, Plattkenners!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4">As to the old-fashion service, I had
before heard that children were often kept together in such a place. What I
never understood</font> <font face="Times New Roman" size="4">is why. Why
give children the opportunity not only to gibber, play and make noise together,
but even to throw things down?? Or was there some unfortunate person in charge
to hinder them? Good luck, with 20 or more children...</font></div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4">Hartlich!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="4">Marlou</font></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="im">
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<div><font size="2">From: </font>"Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl" target="_blank">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>><font size="2"><br>Subject:
</font>LL-L "Etymology"<br><br>
<div>Dear LL-friends,<br>Yesterday in our newspaper (Leeuwarder Courant) there
was an article about a old fashion church service: <em>"De vrouwen zaten apart
en hadden hoedjes op. Sommige mannen hadden een hoge hoed op. De meeste
kinderen, ook helemaal in stijl met petten en strikken in het haar, zaten op
de kraak."</em> (Woman where sitting apart, some man where wearing a top-hat
en the childeren where sitting on de 'kraak'.)</div>
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<div>That word 'kraak' intrigues me. It is a high-level half-open floor,
somewhere between the ground-floor and the roof in a church. It is mostly also
the place where the organ is been played.</div>
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<div>In our Stellingwarf (LS) region we know a word 'hilde' meant for a
half-open 'tussenverdieping' (Eng: mezzanine(?)) but this is not used for a
'kraak' in a church.</div>
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<div>I'm wondering (a) where that word 'kraak' etymological comes from and (b)
if there is a equivalent word for the Dutch 'kraak' in LS? In our
Stellingwerfs we call it the 'kraeke'.<br>Mit een vrundelike groet uut
Stellingwarf,<br>Piet
Bult</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"> <font size="2"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></font>----------</p>
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Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.10.23 (01) [EN]</span></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br></p><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div>Beste Piet en Almal:</div>
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<div>Subject: LL-L: "Etymology"</div>
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<div><font>Thanks for that snippet (tagged
below).</font></div>
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<div>Our school hall had a fairly narrow 'pit' between the
floor & the stage, & the first-year kids, for whom there was no seating,
would jostle for place to sit on the floor in the front, dangling their
legs over the edge, or as the choir-master our Music Teacher called it, 'die
krakie'. It made perfect sense in informal language, & we supposed he
had invented the term. Mind you, they did say he trained in
Nederland.</div>
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<div>I mean to say, slightly over-using the English, from
anywhere else in the hall it looked like a 'crack' in the floor, & most
likely to an orchestra in the pit it would <strong>feel</strong> like a crack.
On one celebrated occasion they put on a pantomime, & as per tradition the
'Demon King' had to pop up out of the earth when our vacuous hero stamps
three times. By way of atmosphere the Science Teacher whipped up a smoke bomb
for his advent. But he was a bit heavy-handed & 'His Royal Lowness' had
a good twenty-minutes coughing-fit staggering up out of the pit (in the
flickering floodlights it was magnificantly realistic), & when he
said, propping himself up on his borrowed hay-fork, 'Man, dit was die Hel!' (the
panto was in English, of course), he brought the House down. Sadly, that
was a 'one off' production. I think pantomimes were in retrospect deemed too
naughty for general viewing. It was long ago.</div>
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<div>I am paying the price for lurking - everyone else is doing
the same, except you & Our Hannelore (Dankie, my skattie!) & nothing
happens. With a bow to the Jews in their New Year I undertake to be more
forthcoming.</div>
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<div>Groete,</div>
<div>Mark</div><div class="im">
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<div>Dear LL-friends,<br>Yesterday in our newspaper (Leeuwarder Courant) there
was an article about a old fashion church service: <em>"De vrouwen zaten apart
en hadden hoedjes op. Sommige mannen hadden een hoge hoed op. De meeste
kinderen, ook helemaal in stijl met petten en strikken in het haar, zaten op
de kraak."</em> (Woman where sitting apart, some man where wearing a top-hat
en the childeren where sitting on de 'kraak'.)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>That word 'kraak' intrigues me. It is a high-level half-open floor,
somewhere between the ground-floor and the roof in a church. It is mostly also
the place where the organ is been played.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>In our Stellingwarf (LS) region we know a word 'hilde' meant for a
half-open 'tussenverdieping' (Eng: mezzanine(?)) but this is not used for a
'kraak' in a church.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I'm wondering (a) where that word 'kraak' etymological comes from and (b)
if there is a equivalent word for the Dutch 'kraak' in LS? In our
Stellingwerfs we call it the 'kraeke'.<br>Mit een vrundelike groet uut
Stellingwarf,<br>Piet
Bult</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">----------</p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal">
<br></p><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2">From: </font><span class="gI"><span class="gD" style="color:#c88900">Marcus Buck</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:list@marcusbuck.org">list@marcusbuck.org</a></span></span><font size="2"><br>
Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.10.23 (01) [EN]</span></p><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
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<font size="2">From: </font>"Stellingwerfs Eigen" <<a href="mailto:info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl" target="_blank">info@stellingwerfs-eigen.nl</a>><br>
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<div><font size="2"> Subject: </font>LL-L
"Etymology"<br>
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<div>Dear LL-friends,<br>
Yesterday in our newspaper
(Leeuwarder Courant) there was an
article about a old fashion church
service: <em>"De vrouwen zaten
apart en hadden hoedjes op.
Sommige mannen hadden een hoge
hoed op. De meeste kinderen, ook
helemaal in stijl met petten en
strikken in het haar, zaten op de
kraak."</em> (Woman where sitting
apart, some man where wearing a
top-hat en the childeren where
sitting on de 'kraak'.)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>That word 'kraak' intrigues me.
It is a high-level half-open floor,
somewhere between the ground-floor
and the roof in a church. It is
mostly also the place where the
organ is been played.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>In our Stellingwarf (LS) region
we know a word 'hilde' meant for a
half-open 'tussenverdieping' (Eng:
mezzanine(?)) but this is not used
for a 'kraak' in a church.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I'm wondering (a) where that word
'kraak' etymological comes from and
(b) if there is a equivalent word
for the Dutch 'kraak' in LS? In our
Stellingwerfs we call it the
'kraeke'.<br>
Mit een vrundelike groet uut
Stellingwarf,<br>
Piet Bult</div>
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<br></div><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">
This is known as "Empore" in German and as "Prieg" or "Priegel" in
some dialects of Low Saxon (Prieg:
</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://plattmakers.de/index.php?show=7448" target="_blank"><http://plattmakers.de/index.php?show=7448></a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"> [attested from
Eastfalia, Altmark], Priegel:
</span><a style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" href="http://plattmakers.de/index.php?show=4522" target="_blank"><http://plattmakers.de/index.php?show=4522></a><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">[attested from the
Oldenburg area]).</span><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" color="#888888">
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Marcus Buck</font><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" class="MsoNormal"><br></p><div style="text-align: center; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2">==============================</font><font size="2">===========================<br>
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