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<p class="MsoNormal"><font> </font></p><font>From:</font><span><font> </font></span><span class="gI"><span class="gD">Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a></span></span><span><a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a></span><div>
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Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.12.11 (01) [EN]</span><br><font>
<br></font><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dag Luc , </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">According to Eric Partridge in “Origins” - under wool sub 3 - flannel is derived from a Welsh word <i>gwlän,</i> meaning wool which has a derivative <i>gwlanen. </i>He postulates that the g became f and the suffix became –en<b> </b>to form the English word Flannel. But I like your Flemish-centered etymology too.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Jacqueline BdJ</span></p><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Seattle </span><br><br>----------<br><br><font>From:</font><span><font> D</font></span><span class="gD">ouglas Hinton</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:douglas.hinton@gmail.com">douglas.hinton@gmail.com</a></span><span></span><div>
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Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.12.11 (01) [EN]<br><br></span>It might be a loan word from french. They have the word flannelle which
can mean "a glove" or "a face glove" and no doubt the cloth it's self ,
but of course , the French may have borrowed it from elsewhere. My
french dictionary doesn't offer any word origins.<br>
Best Regards, Douglas<div class="yj6qo ajU"><div id=":16n" class="ajR" tabindex="0"><img class="ajT" src="images/cleardot.gif"></div></div><br><span class="gI">----------<br><br></span><font>From:</font><span><font> </font></span><span class="gI"><span class="gD"><a href="mailto:mike.keach@gmail.com">mike.keach@gmail.com</a></span></span><span class="go"></span><span></span><div>
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Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.12.11 (01) [EN]<br><br></span>Re: Flannel<br><br>flan·nel<br>[flan-l]<br>- noun 1. soft wool or cotton fabric<br>Origin:<br>1300–50;
ME flaunneol, perh. dissimilated var. of flanyn sackcloth < Welsh;
cf. Welsh gwlanen woolen article, equiv. to gwlân wool (akin to L lāna) +
-en suffix denoting a single item (as a piece of a mass noun or sing.
of a collective pl.)<br>Source:<br>Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2011.<br><br>HTH!<br><br>Tschüss, Mitanand!<br>~Mike in Tampadorf<div>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T<br><br>----------<br>
<br><font>From:</font><span><font> </font></span><span class="gI"><span class="gD">Roland Desnerck</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:roland.desnerck@telenet.be">roland.desnerck@telenet.be</a></span></span><span class="go"></span><span></span>
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Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2011.12.11 (01) [EN]<br>
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</span>Beste Leeglanders, beste Luc,<div><br></div><div>Over flanel lees ik in het Etymologisch Woordenboek van de Vries en de Tollenaere, 23 ste druk, 2004:</div><div><br></div><div>Uit het Frans flanelle (1650); uit het Eng. flannel (1503), een in oorsprong kymr. woord gwlanen "wollen" bij gwlan "wol".</div>
<div><br></div><div>Het
Etymologisch Woordenboek van Vercoullie (een Oostendenaar) geeft
precies dezelfde uitleg. Zo ook het Etymologisch Woordenboek door van
Veen (uitgave Van Dale).</div><div><br></div><div>Nota: het West-Vlaams is "flanélle".</div><div><br></div><div>Toetnoasteki,</div><div><br></div><div>Roland Desnerck</div><div>Rogierlaan 25</div><div>8400 Oostende</div>
<div>West-Vlaanderen</div></div><br>----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Etymology<br><br>Dear Lowlanders,<br><br>Scots has (retained?) the form <i>flannen</i> for "flannel".<br>
<br>I wonder if (besides Welsh <i>gwlanen</i>) there used to be the dialect variant *<i>llanen</i>, considering that English tended to render Welsh <i>ll-</i> ass "fl". On the other hand, please consider the following known Welsh forms for "wool": <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="cy"><span class="hps"><i>gwlân </i>~ </span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="cy"><span class="hps"><i>wlân</i>.</span></span><br>
<br>Welsh <i>w </i>represents a vowel: [ʊ] (as in English "p<u>u</u>t").<br><br>BTW, Breton has <i>gloan</i> and <i>gloanaj</i> for "wool", and Cornish has <i>glu</i><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="cy"><span class="hps"><i>ân</i>, <i>glawn</i> etc.</span></span><br>
<br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA<br><br>P.S.: What is a "face glove"?<br><br>----------<br><br><big>From: Hannelore Hinz <a href="mailto:hannehinz@t-online.de" target="_blank"><hannehinz@t-online.de></a></big><br>
<big>Subject: LL-L "Etymology" <br>
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Beste Lowlanners,<br>
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Ok bi uns is dat köller worden. An'n 10. Dag in'n Christmaand
ümmer ein Sneidräwel (Schneetreiben)* nah den'n annern. Ja, un
warme Kledaschen halt man ut dat Schapp, ok de wat warmer sünd so
as Flanell.<br>
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Perfesser Voßlo: <b>Flanell </b>m. Flanell, ein wäwte Stoff mit
tämlig smietig Wull.<br>
Hei hett dat up Hochdüütsch vermellt. Also ein selbstgefertigter,
ziemlich geschmeidiger Webstoff, dessen Einschlag stets von Wolle
ist, vorherrscht und die rechte Seite bildet, während der
einfadige Aufzug bei <i>flässen Flanell </i>von Flachsgarn, bei
<i>heiden Flanell </i>von Hedegarn ist; das meist buntgestreifte
Zeug wurde zu Frauenröcken verwendet.<br>
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DUDEN 7: <b>Flanell </b>(Gewebe): Das Wort wurde Anfang des 18.
Jh.s entlehnt aus gleichbed. <i>frz. </i>flanelle <<i>engl. </i>flannel,
das selbst <i>kelt. </i>Ursprungs ist. <i>Kymr. </i>gwlān
"Wolle" **, das zugrunde liegt, ist urverwandt mit <i>Wolle. </i>-
Dazu das Adjektiv <b>flanellen </b>"aus Flanell".<br>
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** Wolle, Nd. Wull. Dat egenlich' Bedüden von Wull is noch nich
klor. Womoeglich künn <i>Wull</i> ein 'Subject' för uns'
Lowlanners sien...<br>
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* <b>Slädenfohrt </b>(Kinnerleed)<br>
<i><small>(Ein Riemel von söß Riemels.)<br>
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Hurra! Hurra! Ja, dat is klor,<br>
ick treck de ierste Slädenspor!<br>
Min Släden, de heit Susewind,<br>
un de sus't af, so as de Wind.<br>
De gröttste Barg is uns tau lütt!<br>
Wer Lust hett, de kümmt mit,<br>
wer Lust hett, de kümmt mit.<br>
<big><small><small>(~ 1990)<br>
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</small></small></big>Hartlich Gräuten.<br>
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Hanne</big><br><br><span class="gI"></span><br><font><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="NL"></span></font>
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