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<p class="MsoNormal"><font> </font></p>From:<span class="gD"> Hellinckx Luc</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:luc.hellinckx@gmail.com">luc.hellinckx@gmail.com</a></span><div class="iw"> </div>
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Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Names"</span><span><br><br></span>Hi there David,<div><br><div><div>You wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>
<div>Now that I finally have my own computer, I am slowly going through thousands of posts.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wishing
you courage...it will sure take some time. But then again, you could
sort them, which may eventually prove to be less time consuming than
reading them as they are posted.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>
<div>Question:</div>
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<div>Why do a lot of Belgian family names end in nckx, e.g. Luc Hellinckx?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Because
most Belgian family names have never been reformed, they retain the old
pre-18th century spelling. Most Dutch family names on the other hand
have been modernized and adapted to a new spelling at one point in time
(Napoleon or later). -ckx is the usual South Central Dutch spelling, -cx
is more prevalent in South Western Dutch and Limburgish often has -gs.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>
<div>As well, how do you pronounce such a name -- it is as it sounds,
e.g. hellinks? The n presumably is nasalised, since it would be hard to
pronounce the n in the usual way, with the ks consontal cluster
following immediately afterwards.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Totally right. </div><div><br></div><div>-inckx = inga + genitive s = siblings of ... </div><div><br></div><div>Present-day English/German would write the name as "Helling(s)", but Southern Dutch often pronounces final (nasal) -ng as -nk:</div>
<div><br></div><div>ring (ring (E)) > rink</div><div>ding (thing (E)) > dink</div><div>zong (sang (E)) > zoenk</div><div>lang (long (E)) > lank</div><div>koning (king (E)) > köönink</div><div><br></div><div>
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Helling > Hellink. But that's not how -k used to be written, rather
like "Hellinck" (compare English rock, stock, flock, lick, block...).
May well be that the phonetic quality of that -k was not exactly as we
would think it was (voiced?), and in order to distinguish it from
unvoiced -c, maybe -k was added? Just a hunch btw. </div><div><br></div><div>Even
today, you can still hear folks from the city of Ghent pronounce ring
as rinx, zingen (to sing) as zinxen (to sing), where x = a voiceless
velar fricative, like the final sound of Scottish Loch. I believe having
heard Northern English dialects where a similar phenomenon also
occurred.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind greetings,</div><div><br></div><div>Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium<br><br>----------<br><br>From:<span class="gD"></span><span class="gD"> Tomás Ó Cárthaigh</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:tomasocarthaigh@yahoo.com">tomasocarthaigh@yahoo.com</a></span><div class="iw">
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Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Names" 2011.12.14 (01) [EN]<br><br></span>A posting on CafeBabel about the gender war in the French and German
languages was something I thought might intrest readers, about whether
Miss / Mrs / or Ms should be used.<br><br><a href="http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/article/39481/french-german-grammar-sexism-feminism-language.html" target="_blank">http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/article/39481/french-german-grammar-sexism-feminism-language.html</a><br>
<br>It brought to mind the senarios we have here in the British / Anglo-Celtic Isles, and promped the folloing response from me:<br><br><div style="margin-left:40px">In
English we used to have Master for a young unmarried man, who only
became Mr when either he married or inherited from his father.<br><br>A
single man of age would be Mr reguardless of situation, as would a woman
be 'Missus' unless she was known to be a Miss, in which case Missus was
an insult!!!<br><br>An
interesting twist in both Ireland and Scotland is the use of Master for a man of education, such as a school principle.<br><br>A
further twist is a medical student is known as Mr until he becomes a
doctor, after which he is doctor, but when he becomes a consultant he
again becomes MR.... very important to use otherwise we suggest hes a
mere doctor!!!<br><br>In Irish, a woman is always of either her father
or husband on paper, though in reality it is "of the family of"... the
complication that arises there is where a woman is from the O' Carty or
Mac Carthy families - two totally different names - she is Nic Cárthaigh
(daughter of), wherewas the son would have the Ó/Mac retention
distinguishing between the clans. So a Mary Mac Carthy would be known as
Mary of the Mac Carthys.<br><br>When married she becomes Bean (woman
of) Uí Ceallaigh (for Kelly), loss again of distinguishing mark of the
families (though this does not apploy for Kelly), and can sign
her name as either her own Maire Bean Úi Cheallaigh, or as ber husbands
name Bean Sean Ó Ceallaigh, which was used in its English form up to
lately as in a Mrs John Reilly who lived in Longford, and was NEVER
described any other way!!! Her husband was well known and important, so
it was a prestige sign to have the name that way...<br></div><br><p><strong><font color="#668f5a">"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace"</font> </strong></p>
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