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<p class="MsoNormal"><font> </font></p><font>From:</font><span class="gD"></span><span class="gD"> Mike Morgan</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:mwmbombay@gmail.com">mwmbombay@gmail.com</a></span><div class="iw"> </div>
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Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L 'Etymology' 2010.12.16 (02) [DE-EN]</span><br>
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<br></font>Sandy & Co!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">>>
I also think that gwlan is monosyllabic, like gwlad 'country' (derived from wlat-, related to Irish flaith 'lord').</div><div class="im"><div>> "w" is normally pronounced [u(:)], as Ron says, but the "gwl" consonant cluster is an exception.<br>
<br></div></div></div>It's not that the cluster /gwl/ is an exception (the same applies to /gwn/ as in <i>gwneud</i> "to do" or /gwr/ as in <i>gwraig</i>
"woman"), it is that the orthographic letter w does double duty;
normally it is a vowel ([u(:)] as Sandy says), but it is also used after
the letter g to indicate a labialized voiced velar (which derives from
the Indo-European labial glide w) with no vocalic feature at all. Thus <i>gwneud</i> and <i>gwraig</i>
are also monosyllabic words. (note howevery if the /g/ is followed by
/wy/ you cannot tell, as sometimes the /w/ goes with the /g/ to indicate
labialialness, and sometimes it goes with the /y/ as a diphthong /wy/.<br>
<br>AND, when there is so-called soft-mutation of the initial /gw/ the
/g/ is lost, as the labialness "attaches" to the following r, l or n.
THIS is probably what makes <i>wlanen</i> (mutated form of <i>gwlanen</i>) sound "like" flannen > flannel<br>
<br>Sometimes though, esp with the verb <i>gwneud</i>, which is a VERY
common verb (used also to form periphrastic preterite and future
tenses), in dialect and colloquial pronunciation the /gw/ are lost
altogether in ALL forms fo the verb. Thus, literary <i>gwnaf i</i> [g<font size="1">w</font>n'avi/ becomes <i>na i</i>
[na i]... as final f /v/ is also often lost, esp in 1st sg forms of
verbs (and equally often "absorbed" into the pronoun, so that <i>i</i> "I" has become <i>fi</i> in many forms, even when etymologically it should not be there.<br><br>mwm || <u>U</u> C > || mike || мика || माईक || マイク || மாய்க் (aka Dr Michael W Morgan)<br>
<br><b>"If one has no affection for a person or a system, one should feel
free to give the fullest expression to his disaffection so long as he
does not contemplate, promote, or incite violence." (MKG)<br>"You assist an unjust administration most effectively by obeying its
orders and decrees. An evil administration never deserves such
allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil.</b> <b>A good
person will resist an evil system with his whole soul. Disobedience of
the laws of an evil state is therefore a duty." (MKG)</b><br><br>----------<br><br><big>From: Hannelore Hinz <a href="mailto:hannehinz@t-online.de" target="_blank"><hannehinz@t-online.de></a><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.12.15. (04) [DE]<br>
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Dat Wuurd "Bagaluten" is mi all oft tau Uhren kamen.<br>
Ick mücht' woll meinen, dat stammt ut Ostpreußen. Dat möt woll ein
ostpreuß'sch Schimpwuurd sien. Bagaluten..., Banausen, Halunken,
ihr Schlingels ...?<br>
Künn je sien, ick kam dor noch achter.<br>
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Hanne<br><br>----------<br><br></big><big><big>From: Hannelore Hinz <a href="mailto:hannehinz@t-online.de" target="_blank"><hannehinz@t-online.de></a><br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.12.16 (02) [DE-EN]<br>
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Wi kamen de Saak all bäten neger:<br>
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<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagalut" target="_blank">http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagalut</a><br>
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Hartlich.<br>
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Hanne</big></big><br><br><font><span></span></font><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="NL"></span></font>
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