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<p style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="MsoNormal"><font> </font></p><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: </font><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gI"><span class="gD">Kirsteen Wilkes</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:kirsteen.wilkes@hotmail.co.uk">kirsteen.wilkes@hotmail.co.uk</a></span></span><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </font><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gI">LL-L 'Grammar' 2010.12.29 (03) [EN]</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></font><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hallo</span><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">That seems perfectly normal to me as a UK resident!</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">My
first thoughts are that saying "I will try and ?????" seems less to do
with "trying" and more to do with intention (but giving yourself a let
out if you forget). Saying "I will try to ????<span style="font-size:10pt">" seems to put more emphasis on trying i.e. making the effort or attempting to achieve something.</span></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:10pt"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt">Collins online dictionary says:</span></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<h4 style="margin:10px 0px 0.5em;padding:0px;border-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(25,72,133)">
<span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">verb</span></h4>
<div style="margin:0px 0px 20px;padding:0px 0px 0px 28px;border-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(80,80,80)">
<span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border-width:0px;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;font-weight:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;font-stretch:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(25,72,133)">Word forms: </span>tries, trying, tried</div>
<div>I found this in the Oxford On-line dictionary</div></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">Is there any difference between </span><strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">try to</strong><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> plus infinitive and </span><strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">try and</strong><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> plus infinitive in sentences such as </span><span style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"><em style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;margin-left:0px;line-height:1.5em;margin-bottom:0.417em">we should <strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold">try to</strong></em></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> (or</span><span style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"><em style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;margin-left:0px;line-height:1.5em;margin-bottom:0.417em"><strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold">try and</strong></em></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">) </span><span style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"><em style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;margin-left:0px;line-height:1.5em;margin-bottom:0.417em">help them</em></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">? In practice there is little discernible difference in meaning, although there is a difference in formality, with </span><strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">try to</strong><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> being regarded as more formal than </span><strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">try and</strong><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">. The construction </span><strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">try and</strong><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> is grammatically odd, however, in that it cannot be inflected for tense (e.g. sentences like </span><span style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"><em style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;margin-left:0px;line-height:1.5em;margin-bottom:0.417em">she <strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold">tried and</strong> fix it</em></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> or </span><span style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"><em style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;margin-left:0px;line-height:1.5em;margin-bottom:0.417em">they are <strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold">trying and</strong> renew their visa</em></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> are not acceptable, while their equivalents </span><span style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"><em style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;margin-left:0px;line-height:1.5em;margin-bottom:0.417em">she <strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold">tried to</strong> fix it</em></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> or </span><span style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"><em style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;display:inline;margin-left:0px;line-height:1.5em;margin-bottom:0.417em">they are <strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold">trying to</strong> renew their visa</em></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> undoubtedly are). For this reason </span><strong style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">try and</strong><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)"> is best regarded as a fixed idiom used only in its infinitive and imperative form. </span><span style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">See also <a href="http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/and?region=uk#and__17" style="outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;color:rgb(51,51,51);text-decoration:none;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:1em" target="_blank">and (usage)</a></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Georgia,Palatino,'Palatino Linotype',Times,'Times New Roman',serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(232,242,251)">.</span>
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</span></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hope this helps!</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Kirsteen</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">PS
- For Lowlanders from German speaking nations - and possibly others!
The use of the word Oxford refers to the publishing house (Oxford
University Press) from the town and University of the same name. There
is no such term as Oxford English outside of the phrase "Oxford English
Dictionary" known or used within the UK either within common parlance or
academic/linguistic circles! It is probably a term coined by German
teachers of English referring probably to what we would term Standard
English/"The Queen's English"/or Received Pronunciation! (There - I've
waited years to say that!!)<br><br>----------<br><br><span>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Grammar<br><br>Thanks for the information, Kirsteen.<br>
<br>I believe this is your posting debut, Congratulations and welcome!<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA</span><br></div><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color:black"><br>
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