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<br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: "Fonken, Gael M. [<a href="mailto:foga0301@stcloudstate.edu">foga0301@stcloudstate.edu</a>]" </span><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica"</div><div><br></div><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1f497d">Marlou wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">Dear
Gael, I think this can mean "Sie ist es" = "She is it". "Ische" as a
Name is a nickname of "Luise", originating in baby language
I think. This would make no sense here.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:5.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1f497d">Ron wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">The language used in that music video appears to be an Allemanic variety (which is well outside the Lowlands).</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:5.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">My original question:
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN">è</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPX0RNl7qO8&feature=related" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:#00b050;text-decoration:none">Elijah
</span></b><span style="color:blue;text-decoration:none">- </span><b><span style="color:blue;background:yellow">Sie isch-----es</span></b><b><span style="color:blue">
</span></b><span style="color:blue">by EtobasiOfficial21,502 views </span></a>–not sure what “isches” means.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN">Beste LL folks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"> It seems the answer was in the video
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN">[@30 seconds where two street signs converge]</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN">:
<b><span style="color:#984807">“<i>Sie isch es”</i> oder “<i>Sie</i>” [she’s it….or…. she]</span></b><span style="color:#984807">
</span>which seems to reflect opposite choices of <b>how</b> best to live….(<b>who</b>
best to live with)? I like the video because of it leads to scenes that
include their children … so the choice of one’s sexual partner is
grounded in family life and with
open respectful relations with people of other races. On the whole it
is a positive message. That other
<b>“</b></span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">dorp</span></b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN">”</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"> South African band
in London had no such grounding and reflects a lot of anger. I’m curious here how
<b>YouTube</b> gives space for both types of music and how both are
responses made by language minorities where local identities are focused
on. Yes Ron, this Euro-reggae is not from the lowlands. In the
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krTzP_2EDUQ&feature=related" target="_blank"><b>Interview
</b>Hype TV, Jamaica with Elijah </a>--<span style="color:#984807">@the 4<sup>th</sup> minute</span>, he says he is half
<b><span style="color:#984807">Italian</span></b><span style="color:#984807">
</span>and half </span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807">Schwyzerdüütsch</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">.
It’s this linguistically mixed heritage that attracts him to Reggae. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> But it is
<b><span style="color:#00b050">Ina Muller</span></b><span style="color:#00b050"> </span>
who uses the term </span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">dörp</span></b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">to describe this dynamic
<i>in locally-meaningful terms</i>. She is able to combine this positive <b>mixed-race reggae theme</b> with the darker London smalltown
<b>‘dorp’ politics</b> to produce a distinctively upbeat <i>progressive</i> AND yet still
<i>morally-grounded</i> vision for society. She also seems to be actively living this vision in a more consistent way. Perhaps as reflected in the 1<sup>st</sup> video here</span>:
<span style="color:#1f497d" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcCIepoC8Gk&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AVGxdCwVVULXdG5J7zydA-YlsIw-4KhAaU" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1f497d">YouTube Mix for Ina Müller</span></a></span><span style="color:#1f497d">.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Her linguistically-sophisticated politics is also reflected in her more
<i>mature audiences</i> (older people gathered in more upscale places) as well as her official
<i>interviews of other people</i> from the lowlands, Frisians, etc… For her to post a video called “</span><b><span style="color:#1f497d" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtVxMxfvozo&feature=BFa&list=AVGxdCwVVULXdG5J7zydA-YlsIw-4KhAaU&lf=list_related" title="Ina Müller - Platt is nich uncool" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-weight:normal">Platt
is nich uncool</span><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">” is quite significant… But who I am to say this when I can’t understand what she is saying in these videos? I have
returned to studying German after my Platt grandfather closed down when I tried to use it to speak with him over 20 years ago.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> For now though, can someone give me a few more clues? Is the word/concept of
</span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">dörp</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> related to</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> a certain capability among
<u>lowlanders to mix together more ‘harmoniously.</u>’ There certainly
seems to be less tension here than with Afrikaans music arising from
South Africa. What gets depicted in Elijah’s schweiz reggae also seems
to emerge from a more abstract
<b>(big city)</b> base. There seems to be more opportunity in the lowlands to get reconnected with the land…Is that it? — that
</span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">dörp</span></b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">ishen</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> are more likely to mix with other</span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
dörp</span></b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">ishen</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> and
<u>to notice and honor the indigenous base underneath without idealizing it</u>. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Is this so?
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">What else do I need to think about?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Gael
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Links and listener comments for three ‘minority language’ bands:</span></p>
<div style="border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt;background:#f2dbdb">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#f2dbdb;border:none;padding:0in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="DE">Schwizer Reggae vom feinste
</span></b></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000099" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPX0RNl7qO8&feature=related" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;text-decoration:none" lang="DE">Etobasi
feat.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;text-decoration:none" lang="DE">
</span><b><span style="color:#00b050;background:yellow;text-decoration:none">Elijah</span></b><b><span style="color:#00b050;text-decoration:none">
</span></b><span style="color:blue">- <b><span style="background:yellow">Sie isch es</span>
</b></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:blue">by EtobasiOfficial21,502 views
</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN">–the words
<i><u>Sie isch es</u></i> are in the video!! on the street sign</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>More of his songs </b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="DE">è</span></b><b><span lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxmzSAgG-W4&feature=related" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">ELIJAH - SIE ISCH WÄG by shigimigi
418,253 views </span></a></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"> </span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN">è</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ri5LhmRRo&feature=related" target="_blank">DO
GOOD IN LIFE - ELIJAH (OFFICIAL VIDEO)<span style="font-weight:normal">by elijahch 29,897 views
</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">-</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">in Jamaican English</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krTzP_2EDUQ&feature=related" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:#00b050">Elijah</span></b>
<b><span style="background:yellow">Interview</span> </b>Hype TV, Jamaica
<span style="font-size:8.0pt"> by elijahch 1,134 views </span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">--</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt" lang="EN">Jun, 2011</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN">–</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN">very
nice discussion of <b>his mixed language heritage</b></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">“<b>Schweiz</b>.... - meine erste Liebe!</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">Yeees!!!
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">I swear the</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="EN"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">
god ich hatte wundervolle Urlaube in den Bergen :)”</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/HippeldieHop" target="_blank"><span lang="DE">HippeldieHop
</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE">1 year ago </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">“dash doch sonen riddim vomne acoustic track woni vode wailers ghört
ha</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="EN"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">
(odr erri mi:S), </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">be sho die ganz am sueche , weissen echt öppe. thx :D</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#984807" lang="DE">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/detroitchecker" target="_blank"><span lang="DE">detroitchecker
</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE">1 year ago </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">„Ich bin Deutscher
<u>und versteh kein</u></span><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="EN"></span></u><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">
Wort Oo</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">“
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Blo0dySnowman" target="_blank"><span lang="DE">Blo0dySnowman
</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE">1 month ago </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">„Ich studiere deutsch schon seit drei Jahren (und lerne soooooo lange
;) ) und <u>kann euch kaum verstehen</u> XD </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">‚<b>Schwyzertüütsch</b>‘ ist aber</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="EN"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">
'ne schöne Sprache und jetzt will ich sie lernen :)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#984807" lang="DE">
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#984807" lang="DE">Und Lied GEIL :D“<b>
</b></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/sepus" target="_blank"><span lang="DE">sepus
</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt" lang="DE">years ago</span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE"></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">„swiss reage FTW!! grues us</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="EN"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="EN">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">öschtriich ,i bin ä
<b>verlaufene schwiizer</b>“</span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE"> </span>
</b><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/laridaridari" target="_blank"><span lang="DE">laridaridari
</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE">1 year ago</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:6.0pt" lang="DE"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Another Euro-Reggae group </b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="DE">è</span></b><b><span style="background:yellow" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGSZbwqqt7I&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PLAFC71E8CEBA0CEA5" target="_blank">Phenomden</a></span></b>—17
videos<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">—this seems a bit
<u>more violent</u>, less cultural?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"> and
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN">è</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGSZbwqqt7I&feature=related" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">Phenomden -
Stah Daby reezer82 644,224 views </span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">„hey
<b>schweiz</b>.. geile musik :).. find eicha sproch is foi geil :D.. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">schweiz is hoid afoch des beste</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="EN"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">
nochbalond wos österreich hod.. respekt aus österreich“</span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#984807" lang="DE">
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/grafcm" target="_blank"><span lang="DE">grafcm
</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE">2 years ago </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">„das ist
<b>Bayrisch</b></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="EN"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">
und kein <b>Pseudoschweitzerdeutsch</b> ;)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"" lang="DE">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/huabamomo" target="_blank"><span lang="DE">huabamomo
</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="DE">1 month ago </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt" lang="DE"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Links to the Afrikaans <b>dorp</b> band in London:</p>
<div style="border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt;background:#f2dbdb">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#f2dbdb;border:none;padding:0in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="http://dorp%20-%20interview/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">dorp - interview</span></a></span></b> <span style="font-size:9.0pt"><a href="http://www.rock.co.za/amuzine/interviews/dorp_three.html" target="_blank">www.rock.co.za/amuzine/interviews/<b>dorp</b>_three.html</a>
<a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Z0_QMoytBIEJ:www.rock.co.za/amuzine/interviews/dorp_three.html+dorp+pieter+bezuidenhout&cd=18&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank">
</a> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">Sugar:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">
[with Pieter Bezuidenhout – lead vocalist] </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">The name Dorp</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">
creates an impression of <b>an Afrikaans smalltown mentality</b> which, of course, isn't what the band's about.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">Pieter:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d"> Yes, Dorp is really such
<b>a kak name</b>. I mean, who would call their band Dorp? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">There's this poem we have:
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#984807" lang="DE">"Twee koeksusters sit oopmond en staar<br>
En vra mekaar,<br>
Hoekom <u>Dorp</u>, dis so 'n <u>kak naam</u>.<br>
En 'n huur later kon hul steeds<br>
Nie verstaan,<br>
Dat 'n woord hoef nie by sy betekenis<br>
Te blystaan."</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">We are trying to create
<b>a negative image</b> with the name because <u>people don't want to be involved</u> with the implications of the name, but
<u>the joke is on them</u> because it <b>represents us all and reflects on us all</b>.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">Sugar:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">
The name hasn't turned people off at all so presumably it's had the desired effect.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">Pieter:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d"> Exactly. It creates
<b>a negative interest</b> and that creates a curiosity. People think this band can't be that dumb to call their band that!
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">Sugar:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">
</span><b><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#00b050">Koos Kombuis</span></i></b><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#00b050">
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">was one of<b>
</b><u>the first artists <b><i>to alter</i></b> people's perceptions of<b> Afrikaans being the language of the oppressor.
</b></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">Pieter:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d"> Well, we don't have any Afrikaans songs but (that trend) has allowed bands like Valiant
Swart and Wonderboom to <b>use Afrikaans names</b>. You also don't have
to play the Johnny Clegg type of music that people expect to come out
of South Africa either. It just has to have
<b>a South African identity</b>. We do listen to overseas stuff but we don't have to copy it.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">Sugar:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#4a452a">
As a band what do you listen to? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d">Pieter:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1f497d"> We're all into ska, funk and punk but we have our own favourites and from this we
have managed to find <b>our own style</b>. We do keep an ear on what's happening out there, so there has been a change from our first album to our second. You
<b>don't have to copy</b> but you must <b>keep up</b>. There is a big movement towards
<b>dance music</b> these days with the raves, so we don't go for too
many ballads. Our music is mostly up-tempo. Our lyrics still have
something to say without being too profound. People can catch on to
lyrics even while they're dancing. When people dance to
our music it creates an energy that feeds back into the band. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#595959"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Contrasted with the more politically active Afrikaans musician:
</p>
<div style="border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt;background:#f2dbdb">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#f2dbdb;border:none;padding:0in"><span style="color:#595959" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxazCrR2bzY&feature=related" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:black">Koos
Kombuis</span></span></b><b><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:black">
</span></span></b><b><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:black">--</span></span></b><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:black">Interview</span></span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:black">ed</span></span><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:black">
in London</span></span><span style="color:#5959ff">
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#5959ff">by saffarazzi 3,105 views
</span></a></span><span lang="EN"> </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#984807">Jul 7, 2008
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959">Awesome
cool interview with this Legend of SA Rock=[starts@1:20min]=A brief
history of his career straight from the
horse's mouth and a wonderful glimpse of his persona and hopeful
optimism. Enjoyed listening to KK's views of London and South Africa.
Very well done!</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959" lang="EN"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#595959" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDth8roll_4&feature=related" target="_blank"><span style="color:#5959ff">Koos
Kombuis - <b>Reconciliation day</b> by kamikazekonijn 5,831 views </span></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:5.0pt;color:#595959" lang="EN"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#595959" lang="EN">Interview on
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4767zdCgdq0&feature=related" target="_blank"><span style="color:#5959ff">Koos Kombuis -
<b>Reconciliation Day</b> - South Africa by Rouvanne 19,083 views </span></a></span><span style="color:#595959">--</span><span style="color:#595959" lang="EN"></span></p>
<span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:#595959">It is
utter blasphemy that the ANC took Geloftedag, which is a sacred holy day
for the Boervolk, and was acknowledged
as such by the NP government, and turned it into this BS
"reconciliation day". That's like going to Israel and making Passover
some "reconciliation day" for the Palestinians! The Marxist ANC is a
failure.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#333333">
</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959" lang="EN"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/therightperspective" target="_blank"><span style="color:#5959ff">therightperspective</span><span style="color:#5959ff;font-weight:normal">
</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959" lang="EN">years ago
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#595959" lang="EN">è</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959" lang="EN">Response
video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U-1bgRVMGY&feature=watch_response" target="_blank">
<span style="color:#5959ff">Geloftedag: Day of the Vow by
<b>therightperspective</b> 2,648 views </span></a></span></div><br><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">----------</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: R. F. Hahn <</span><a style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1326693484_5">sassisch@yahoo.com</span></a><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: Idiomatica</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi, Gael!</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In Germany—even in Low Saxon ("Low German"), which nowadays is usesd primarily in rural settings—German </span><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dorf</i><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> and Low Saxon </span><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dörp</i><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> (a cognate of English "-thorp" and -thrup") can within certain contexts have a pejorative meaning. It can connote simple-mindedness and other such supposed attributes of villagers and small town folks.</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">He kümmt vun'n D</i><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">örpen </i><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">can simply mean "He's from a village/small town," or it can mean "He isn't exactly sophisticated."</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Similarly, </span><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dörper</i><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> and </span><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dörpsl</i><i style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">üd'</i><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> can simply mean "villager(s)" or "small town folk," or it can have a similarly derogatory meaning.</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards,</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Seattle, USA</span><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div>
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