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<font><br></font><div><font>From: <span><span></span></span></font>Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:roerd096@PLANET.NL">roerd096@PLANET.NL</a>><font><span><span></span><span><a href="mailto:mwmbombay@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span></span></font>LL-L 'Phonology' 2012.01.18 #01# [EN]<font><span></span><br><br>
</font>Hi, Ron<br>
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I was wondering what you thought of Andy Eagle's and my reaction to your question about Scots sclusters<br>
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Ingmar<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <[log in to unmask]></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2012.01.17 (02) [EN]</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
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Hope you are not snowed in too badly, Ron...</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
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About the Scots sclusters, I have my own little theory:</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
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Old Anglosaxon sc- became something like sh- in Scots, as in English, at least in some cases,</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
e.g. when a front vowel followed.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
As the cluster scr- became shr-, the similar cluster sl- became scl-</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
<br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
About this parallell of sl- with scr-: in Dutch it's not possible too say sr- , must be schr- [sxr].</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
In Dutch, many people even say Schri Lanka with intrusive ch [x] -> [sxri].</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
In German that would be schr- [SR], and in German, one can not say sl-, it must be schl- [Sl].</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
<br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
Later the Vikings influenced Scots and sh- was replaced back by sk- again, parallell to the many</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
Scandinavian words were borrowed into Scots and English with sk/sc instead of sh:</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
scream, scrape, scuttle, sky, skim, skittish etc.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
<br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
But in Scots, shr- and shl- were both restored as scr-, scl-, so even old sl- became scl- via shl-.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
In your examples, all the words with scl- have a front vowel, maybe that was important for sl-</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
to become shl- as well (influence of Celtic slenderness?)</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
<br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
Just by 2 eurocents.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
<br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
Ingmar</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
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<span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">From: R. F. Hahn <[log in to unmask]></span></span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
Subject: Phonolgy</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
Dear Lowlanders,</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
I am intrigued by some Scots words with scl... in which the /s-/ or the
/-k-/ seem to be intrusive. I wonder if we can make sense of this
somehow.</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
Examples:</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
Intrusive s?</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sclammer 'clamber'</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sclammer 'clamor'</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sclim 'climb'</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
Intrusive k?</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sclice 'slice' [Medieval French esclicier!]</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sclidder ~ slidder 'slither'</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sclate ~ slate 'slate' [Medieval French esclat!]</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sclender ~ sclinner 'slender' [Medieval French esclendre!]</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
scly 'slide'</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sclype ~ slype 'slap'</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sklent ~ slent 'slant'</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
spl- > skl-?</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
sklinter 'splinter'</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
What do you think is going on where Medieval French does not account for the formations?</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
Regards,</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
Seattle, USA (about to be snowed in again ...)</span><br style="color:rgb(102,0,204)"></div><span style="color:rgb(102,0,204)">
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Subject: Phonolgy</span><br><br>Hi, Ingmar!<br><br>So far I have merely tossing the info I got from you and Andy around in my head. (I've been rather busy and also under the weather.)<br><br>At this point, Andy's proposal that we are dealing with analogous extension seems rather appealing to me.<br>
<br>Thanks to both of you!<br><br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA (no more snow but wind ...)<br></div><font><br>==============================</font><font>===========================<br>
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