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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD">Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a></span></span></p>
Subject:
<span class="gI">LL-L "History" 2012.04.05 (01) [EN]</span><br><br><div><span>There are two issues here really;</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>One is non-IE words in Germanic, of which, as Steven points
out, there are many. These appear to be absorbed from the language of
whoever was in the historical Germanic-speaking area before the
proto-Germanic speakers arrived. Robert Claiborne, in "Our Marvellous
Native Tongue" nick-names this language as "Folkish", partly because
"folk" and its cognates is one of these words. Oddly, while Finnish and
Estonian have some ancient Germanic borrowings (not to be confused with
much more recent Swedish borrowings in Finnish) there seems to have
been little traffic the other way. "Folkish" seems to have been neither
IE nor Finno-Ugraic. English contains a handful of words of no apparent
known family origin: the folk-word "brock" for a badger is a borrowing
from Brythonic Celtic - except the word is unknown in any other Celtic
languages. An even weirder one is "dog". It seems
to turn up in Old English out of nowhere, with no cognates anywhere
else. But many centuries later in the Mediaeval period, "pig" was
apparently invented out of nothing, as was "donkey" in the 17thC; words
don't have to have an ancestor as such.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>The second question, regarding Germanic in the British Isles
before the generally accepted date(s) of Germanic migration into the
islands in the 5thC CE, there are certainly archaeological remains
around Colchester pointing to Germanic presence alongside the Romans.
This is hardly surprising since the Romans regularly deployed
"foederati" from all over the Empire - and beyond. Whether their
language survived enough to have contributed to English is another
question. It has even been suggested that these early Germanic troops in
Britain were eventually the "fifth column" telling folks back home that
the <var></var>Empire in Britannia was weak, fragmented and ripe for the picking.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Before the Romans, we know that the Belgae were a presence in
Britain, and there have been suggestions that they were a sort of
hybrid Germano-Celtic people in terms of both culture and language.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>However, the claim that English owes its origins mainly to
pre-Roman Germanic rather than post-Roman North Sea lowlands is not
supported by most linguists.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>Paul</span></div>
<div><span>Derby</span></div>
<div><span>England</span></div><br>----------<br><br><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">From: <span class="gI"><span class="gD">Tomás Ó Cárthaigh</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:tomasocarthaigh@yahoo.com">tomasocarthaigh@yahoo.com</a></span></span></p>
Subject:
LL-L "History" 2012.04.04 (02) [EN]<br><br>The Ulster Scots Acadamy tell a story of a joint Celtic - Saxon invasion
to press out the Romans... how much truth there is in it I dont know.<br><br>Trying to find it today, their website is down!<br><br>Tomás<br><br><p><strong><font color="#668f5a">"a person with a good book is never alone... a writer until they've written one is never at peace"</font> </strong></p>
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<br>----------<br><br>From: Hannelore Hinz <a href="mailto:hannehinz@t-online.de" target="_blank"><hannehinz@t-online.de></a><br>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2012.04.04 (02) [EN]<br>
<br>
Dear Ron and Lowlanders,<br>
<i>Leiw' Ron un Lowlanners,<br>
</i><br>
Ron wrote: What do you make of the newish hypothesis that there
were speakers of <br>
Germanic languages in England before or
during Roman occupation?<br>
<br>
Personally, I am not convinced, but I
consider it possible.<br>
<i>Persönlich bün ick nich oewertügt, œwer
holl dat för mœglich.</i><br>
<br>
I have no idea. But I think as you.<br>
<i>Ick heff kein Ahnung. Oewer ick denk as du.<br>
<br>
</i>I prefer English as before.<br>
<i>Ingelsch as bether is mi leiwer.</i><br>
<br>
Or can we connect with etymology?<br>
<i>Odder kœnn'n wi dat mit Etymologie (Herkamen) tausamen daun?<br>
<br>
</i>We leave undone?<br>
<i>Wi laten all'ns bi'n ollen?</i><br>
<br>
I wish all members Happy Easter.<br>
<i>Ick wünsch all' Mitmakers Frohe Paaschen</i>.<br>
<br>
Whether the Easter Bunny is busy?<br>
<i>Ob de Osterhaas' flietig is</i>?<br>
<br>
Best wishes and greetings.<br>
<i>Best' Wünschen un Gräuten.<br>
<br>
</i>Hanne<br>
(Easter Bunny)<br>
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