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<p class="MsoNormal"><font> </font></p><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: </font><span class="gI"><span class="gD">Paul Finlow-Bates</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk">wolf_thunder51@yahoo.co.uk</a></span></span><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2012.04.08 (01) [EN]</span><br><span>
<br></span><div><span>According to OED, "badger" is a late (16th C) creation,
possibly related to "badge", from the pattern on its head - but it says
"badge" is late Middle English, of unkown origin!</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I
don't know what it is about this animal that made people in the British
Isles need to borrow or make up new names for it. Presumably both
Celtic and Germanic people were familiar with the beast in Europe so why
not keep on calling it what they always did? Then why, in the case of
English, make up a completely new name a thousand or so years later?</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Incidentally,
I always understood Afrikaans "das" to be a rabbit or hare (there was a
kids' TV character called Haas Das). The diminuitive form "dassie" is
the Rock
Hyrax.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Paul</span></div><div><span>Derby</span></div><div><span>England</span></div><div><span>(but just back from Copenhagen!)<br><br>-----------<br><br></span><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: </font>Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:roerd096@PLANET.NL">roerd096@PLANET.NL</a>><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </font>LL-L "Etymology" 2012.04.07 (01`) [EN-NDS]<br><br>My first thought was that Low Saxon "Tacks" is a Frisian loan, because
as you said, Proto Germanic *þahsu should have yielded "Dass" in Low
Saxon, but "taks" would be the regular outcome in Frisian (and
Scandinavian). The funny thing is now that West Frisian uses the Dutch
or Low Saxon loanword "das", and Low Saxon in Germany uses the Frisian
word "taks".<br>
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I find it striking that the name of this beautiful animal seems to be
borrowed from other languages so often: in Low Saxon from Frisian, in
Frisian from Dutch/Low Saxon, in English from Celtic and even Older
Modern English "dasse" which is obviously from Dutch too, probably
Flemish. Could that have to do with some sort of taboo, or was the
badger a very rare animal, or does it have to do with other things such
as its role in the Reynard the Fox tales. I guess at least Early Modern
English "dasse" is probably from those tales, as they were translated
from Dutch/Flemish.<br>
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Ingmar<br>
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Btw I don't know "taks" from Low Saxon in the Netherlands, only "das", where exactly is "Tacks" used, .<br>
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<div style="margin-left:40px;color:rgb(0,0,153)">From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@6ayoo.com">sassisch@6ayoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Etymology<br><br>
Dachs [daks] for 'badger' is (High) German. Low Saxon ("Low German")
tends to have Tacks [tʰaks], and Dutch, Afrikaans, Limburgish and W.
Frisian have das.<br><br>
LS t- is somewhat surprising here. Proto-Germanic *þahsu- should have
yielded *dahs > *Dass. I assume that (older) Danish and Norwegian
(svin-)toks go back to a Middle Saxon loan. (Modern Standard Danish uses
grævling, Norwegian grevling, Swedish grävling ("digger"?).) Early
Modern English has dasse, Old English brocc, Scots brock, from
Proto-Celtic *brokko.<br><br>
The *þahsu- group appears to go back to Proto-Indo-European *tek'- "to construct."<br><br>
Happy Easter and Passover (Pessach)!<br><br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>
Seattle, USA<br></div>
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