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<p class="MsoNormal"><font> </font></p><font>From: </font>Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:roerd096@PLANET.NL">roerd096@PLANET.NL</a>><font><br>
Subject: </font>LL-L "Etymology" 2012.04.09 (01) [EN]<br><font>
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</font>Does someone know the Nord Frisian (or Saterland Frisian) words for
Badger? I'm curious whether my theory that North Low Saxon "Tacks"
instead of expected "*Das(se)" is a Frisian loan is supported by Modern
Frisian data. West Frisian "das" is obviously a loan from Dutch or maybe
even from Low Saxon in the Netherland.<br>
Ingmar<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <[log in to unmask]></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2012.04.07 (01`) [EN-NDS]</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
My first thought was that Low Saxon "Tacks" is a Frisian loan, because
as you said, Proto Germanic *þahsu should have yielded "Dass" in Low
Saxon, but "taks" would be the regular outcome in Frisian (and
Scandinavian). The funny thing is now that West Frisian uses the Dutch
or Low Saxon loanword "das", and Low Saxon in Germany uses the Frisian
word "taks".</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
I find it striking that the name of this beautiful animal seems to be
borrowed from other languages so often: in Low Saxon from Frisian, in
Frisian from Dutch/Low Saxon, in English from Celtic and even Older
Modern English "dasse" which is obviously from Dutch too, probably
Flemish. Could that have to do with some sort of taboo, or was the
badger a very rare animal, or does it have to do with other things such
as its role in the Reynard the Fox tales. I guess at least Early Modern
English "dasse" is probably from those tales, as they were translated
from Dutch/Flemish.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
Ingmar</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,153)">
Btw I don't know "taks" from Low Saxon in the Netherlands, only "das", where exactly is "Tacks" used, .</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,153)"><div style="margin-left:40px">
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<span style="color:rgb(102,51,51)">From: R. F. Hahn <[log in to unmask]></span></span><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(102,51,51)">
Subject: Etymology</span><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(102,51,51)">
Dachs [daks] for 'badger' is (High) German. Low Saxon ("Low German")
tends to have Tacks [tʰaks], and Dutch, Afrikaans, Limburgish and W.
Frisian have das.</span><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(102,51,51)">
LS t- is somewhat surprising here. Proto-Germanic *þahsu- should have
yielded *dahs > *Dass. I assume that (older) Danish and Norwegian
(svin-)toks go back to a Middle Saxon loan. (Modern Standard Danish uses
grævling, Norwegian grevling, Swedish grävling ("digger"?).) Early
Modern English has dasse, Old English brocc, Scots brock, from
Proto-Celtic *brokko.</span><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(102,51,51)">
The *þahsu- group appears to go back to Proto-Indo-European *tek'- "to construct."</span><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(102,51,51)">
Happy Easter and Passover (Pessach)!</span><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(102,51,51)">
Reinhard/Ron</span><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(102,51,51)">
Seattle, USA</span><br style="color:rgb(102,51,51)"></div></div>
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