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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:left"><font><br></font></p><div style="text-align:left">From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:roerd096@PLANET.NL">roerd096@PLANET.NL</a>><br>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2012.07.28 (02) [EN]<br>
<br>Beste Luc (en andere laaglanders),<br>
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Very interesting. I'm convinced that the Wilamovians consider(ed)
themselves as Non-German, but of Flemish, Dutch and Anglo-Saxon origin.
And probably that is true for a great part of the original settlers. But
in their language I don't see much traces of that, it looks really
German, not even with a mixture of Low German. Only one word, "an" or
"ana" = and, instead of an expected German "und" or "un" stroke me as a
possible Western word.<br>
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Met vriendelijke groet,<br>
Ingmar<br>
<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
Beste Roger (and other Lowlanders),<br><br>
I posted an article from "Knack-magazine" about Wilamowice (the very
name refers to a Western origin < Willem) some 10 years ago on this
list. In the meantime, a book has been published on the language
situation of this village,<br><br>
"The Making of a Language: The Case of the Idiom of Wilamowice, Southern Poland" by Tomasz Wicherkiewicz<br><br>
providing very convincing evidence to prove the Lowlandic origin of its
populace. Sure, layers and layers of (High-)German linguistic influence
have been superimposed on a Dutch substrate, but nonetheless the core is
not German, not even Middle German.<br><br>
Numerous reasons are given in this book (amongst others, Flemish law,
Flemish units of area for the size of land), but most important for me
is the perception of the inhabitants themselves, they have always wanted
to trace back their origins to Flanders, Frisia and Scotland...and are
also as such regarded by their neighbours, not only by Poles but also by
German speakers in Bielsko-Biala who have never considered them as
being of German stock.<br><br>
See for yourself:<br><br><a href="http://books.google.be/books?id=LuPGek6L4gIC&printsec=frontcover&hl=nl" target="_blank">http://books.google.be/books?id=LuPGek6L4gIC&printsec=frontcover&hl=nl</a><br><br>
Kind greetings,<br><br>
Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium<br></blockquote>
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</font><div style="text-align:left">----------<br><br>From: R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a><br>Subject: Language varieties<br><br>Ingmar,<br><br>You wrote:<br><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
Only one word, "an" or
"ana" = and, instead of an expected German "und" or "un" stroke me as a
possible Western word.<br></blockquote><br>Quite possible. Besides, I find quite possible that the original settlers came from Western Europe. <br><br>Note also that Mennonite Low Saxon (Plautdietsch) as dialectical or idiolectical variation of <i>on</i> and <i>en</i> for 'and'.<br>
<br>Note also the Vilamovian poem found in Wicherkiewicz's description: <br><br><div style="margin-left:40px">De fremda Loit, se hon an wing verstanda,<br>Ma docht, har wär vo England har.<br>Dos is kaj Wuinder; denn de Welmeßejer,<br>
Die stemma jou vo derta har.<br></div><br>My translation: <br><br><div style="margin-left:40px">Outsiders (= Germans) understood (just) a bit.<br>They thought he came from England (= Britain?).<br>No wonder, since Vilamovian folk<br>
Originated there, after all.<br> </div><br>And note the first instance of <i>har</i> meaning 'he'!<br><br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA<br></div><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2"><br>
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