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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-align:left"><font><br></font></p><div style="text-align:left">From: <span class="gI"><span name="Dick van Faassen" class="gD">Dick van Faassen</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:faasco@gmail.com">faasco@gmail.com</a></span></span><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Language varieties" 2012.07.30 (02) [EN-NDS]</span><br><span></span><br>Antwoord 02 Joachim Kreimer-de Fries.<br>
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Moi Joachim, ik hope da'k hiermit *** (kiek hieronder) oen vroagen en<br>
opmarkings beantwoord hebbe.<br>
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"Quote: Agreed with that, though have I some question on pronunciation:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
1.<br>
Diminutive suffix "-ien, -tien" and (plural) "-ies, ties" as in<br>
winterkoninkien, poossien, nussien, krummeltien<br>
and jonchies, hummelties, gedichies, ponies etc.<br>
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</div>***Ponies is English, should have been “ponnies”.<br>
*** Bird = vogel; little bird = vogeltien. [‘voɣəlti:n]<br>
***Nest = nust; little nest = nussien [‘nʌsi:n]<br>
<div class="im"><br>
This diminutive syllable seems to be a hybrid of<br>
</div>Frisian/Westphalian/Vlaams "-ken" and NL "(t)je", right? *** Right<br>
<div class="im"><br>
Therefore I tend spontaneously to pronounce it IPA [-kjən / -tjən, (t)jəs], but:<br>
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Considering the spelling practice in the rest of the text the<br>
pronunciation would be [-i:n, -i:s] i. e. with long EN "ee" = DE<br>
</div>long-i. *** Right<br>
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Which is the correct pronunciation? (Best in IPA-spelling.) ***<br>
vogeltien [‘voɣəlti:n]<br>
<div class="im"><br>
2.<br>
/i'j/ vs. /ij/: the apostrophe between i and j in "bi'j" seems to<br>
indicate pronunciation [i:], i. e. [bi:] - but how the hell in the<br>
case of "hij" (EN he) - I would have liked it to be as EN he, NL ie,<br>
but this in your text is already personal pronoun 2. person plural NL<br>
jullie, EN you DE ihr, so I fear it will be pronounced as NL "hij" i.<br>
e. [hɛɪ] - and analogously will be "zij", "wij", right?<br>
</div> *** he is with me = hi’j is bi’j mi’j [hɪj ɪs bɪj mɪj]<br>
*** This is the short [ɪ] like in hip, lip, whip etc.<br>
*** Ich bin = ik bin; not pronounced as ie ! [ɪk bɪn]<br>
*** Du bist (DE) = ie bint [i: bɪnt] (SDZ)<br>
*** Ihr seid (DE) = ie bint (SDZ) =<br>
jullie zijn (NL)<br>
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But on the other hand you wright (wrote?) "En doar binne wi'j zo<br>
<div class="im">benauwd van ewörden" , “Hi'j is die kaante uut egaone” and "mi'j" (in<br>
“Wat he’j bi'j<br>
mi'j bi'j ’t nust te zuuken, ieje?!” - what seems to indicate the<br>
prono [vi:] as EN "we" LS "wi", [hi:], [mi:] like in EN we, he, me LS<br>
wi, mi.<br>
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</div> *** he’j = heb jij = hast du. “Ieje” [‘i:jə] ist auch “du” or ” you”<br>
<div class="im"><br>
BTW: "ieje" seems to be some aggressive reduplicating "ie" NL "jij" EN<br>
"thou", DE "dudu" - if not "du Arsch", NL literally "jullie-jij".<br>
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</div>*** This is correct; here it is ment: You, the angry way..<br>
*** “Jullie” is also “oen” e.g. (GB) Your house = (NL) Jullie huis =<br>
(SDZ) Oen huus. (oe like in book)<br>
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Short lesson Sallaands (SDZ) I feel like a teacher, (Grin)<br>
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Mit de hartelukke groetn van<br>
Dick.<br>
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