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<font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">From:</font><font><span name="Mike Morgan"> </span><span><span name="Dick van Faassen"></span></span><span></span></font>Ingmar Roerdinkholder <<a href="mailto:roerd096@PLANET.NL">roerd096@PLANET.NL</a>><div>
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Subject: </font>LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.13 (03) [EN]<font><span> </span></font><font><span><br><br></span></font>Beste Jacqueline,<br>
I think it's from Malay (Indonesian) nonya = miss, mistress. The Cape
Dutch had many slaves from the Dutch East Indies, now Indonesia, and
their language had a great deal of influence in the onset and
development of Afrikaans.<br>
Another frequent Afrikaans word from Malay is 'baie' from banya(k) = much, many, a lot, with the same meaning in Afrikaans.<br>
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Groeten,<br>
Ingmar<br>
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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong [<a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a>]<br>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"<br><br>
Hello Lowlanders.<br><br>
I am reading “Agaat” by the South African writer Marlene van Niekerk. I
have two copies. One a translation from South African into Dutch and the
other into English.<br><br>
The book itself is an incredible read. Both translations are imaginative
with the English one by Michiel Heyns winning by a nosefor sheer
literary quality. However, neither of the translators gives an etymology
of the word “nooi” as in ‘ounooi’ an honorific for the (white) lady of
the ‘plaas’. Of course my curiosity won out! Do any of our South African
members know the answer to this question? If so…… Much obliged.<br><br>
Jacqueline BdJ<br>
Seattle US<br></blockquote>
<br>----------<br><br><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">From:</font><font><span name="Mike Morgan"> </span></font><span class="gI"><span name="Mark and Ruth Dreyer" class="gD">Mark and Ruth Dreyer</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:mrdreyer@telkomsa.net">mrdreyer@telkomsa.net</a></span></span><div>
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Subject: </font>LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.13 (03) [EN]<font><span> </span></font><font><span><br></span></font><br><div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div>Dear Jacqueline:</div>
<div><font style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: </font><span>LL-L "Etymology" </span><span><br></span><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">You asked about the
etymology of the word “nooi” as in ‘ounooi’ an honorific for the (white) lady of
the ‘plaas’.</span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">'Nooi'
is used much like 'meisie' - 'maiden' in the English of past generations.
'Ounooi' carries the concept (& the affection) to one of more mature years
or rank. But beware; ''oujongnooi' - 'old-young-maiden' carries the meaning 'old
maid' - 'a spinster of a certain age': Which, one takes it, such a one would
usually rather not be reminded about.</span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">This is
what Boshoff & Nienaber says (Afrikaanse Etimologie):</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">"Meisie,
beminde, vrou" geskiedkundig gesproke nie van <em>nonna</em>, "vrou",
"oudste dogter", en die diminutief, <em>nonnie</em> "jongste
dogter" te skei nie. Sedert 17de Eeu in SA gedokumenteer, b.v. deur Adam
Tas ens.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Uit die
Maleis <em>njonja / nonah</em> uit die Portugees <em>dona</em> uit die Latyns
<em>domina</em>; of die Fries <em>nonke</em>...</span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Chambers
Etymological Dictionary (just for fun):</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Nun: . A
female of the Church who devotes herself to celibacy & seclusion. Anglo
Saxon <em>nunna</em> - Low Latin <em>nonna</em>, <em>nunna</em>, an old maiden,
lady, the original signification being 'mother'; cf. Greek <em>nunne</em>,
'Aunt' & Sanskrit <em>nana</em>, a child's word for
'Mother'.</span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Yours,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">Mark</span></font></div>
<div><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)"></span> </div>
<div><font color="#000000"><span style="COLOR:rgb(31,73,125)">PS to
All, apologies for lurking.<br><br>----------<br><br></span></font><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">From:</font><font><span name="Mike Morgan"> </span></font><span class="gI"><span name="elaine kruger-haye" class="gD">elaine kruger-haye</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:elainekh@eject.co.za">elainekh@eject.co.za</a></span></span><span class="gI"><span class="go"></span></span>
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Subject: </font>LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.13 (03) [EN]<font><span> </span></font><font><span><br><br></span></font><font>Hello
Jacqueline</font>
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<div><font>I'm glad you are enjoying Agaat - I do prefer
the original language, but that is my feeling</font></div>
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<div><font>"Nooi" was originally used as a title of respect
(like Ma'am) by slaves and servants but then came to mean also
"girlfriend" (Maybe indicating the subservient position of the boyfriend
:-). Many dictionaries still give the proper spelling as noi with a
circumflex accent on the "o". This seems to have been the original
spelling. Maybe to differentiate from '"nooi" meaning invite (Dt
''nodig" Ger. "noetigen"</font></div>
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<div><font>The usual etymology is given as from Malay
"non(j)ah" meaning the same as "nooi". An alternative word was
"nonna" which is closer to the Malay. There is one
dissenting voice in the late 1800s that sees it as coming from Portuguese
"noiva" meaning "fiancee", but this is not really accepted, just
noted in the dictionary.</font></div>
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<div><font>Elaine Krueger-Haye from the Cape of Storms (it is
winter)</font></div><font><span></span></font></div></div><br>----------<br><br><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">From:</font><font><span name="Mike Morgan"> </span></font><span class="gI"><span name="elaine kruger-haye" class="gD">R. F. Hahn <<a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com">sassisch@yahoo.com</a>></span><span class="go"></span></span><span class="gI"><span class="go"></span></span>
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Subject: </font>LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.13 (03) [EN]<font><span> </span></font><font><span><br></span></font><br>Dear Lowlanders,<br><br>It may interest some of you to now that in today's Malaysia and Singapore, <i>nonya</i> or <i>nyonya</i> refers to a "Straights Chinese" woman. The masculine equivalent is <i>baba</i> (<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="zh-TW"><span class="alt-edited">爸爸 'daddy'). </span></span>The Baba and Nyonya are decedents from Chinese mixed with Malays and are often referred to as "Baba Chinese" or "Baba Malay," as are their Chinese-influenced <a href="http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/baba-info.php">dialects of Malay</a>, while their cuisine is known as "Nyonya cuisine."<br>
<br>Regards,<br>Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA<br><br><font><span></span></font></div>
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