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<font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">From:</font><font><span name="Mike Morgan"> </span><span><span name="Dick van Faassen">Dick van Faassen</span> <span><a href="mailto:faasco@gmail.com" target="_blank">faasco@gmail.com</a></span></span></font><div>
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Subject: </font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.15 (01) [EN]</span><font><span><br><br></span></font>Bilateral Javanese?<br>
Should have been Bilingual.<br>
<br>
Dick.<br>
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2012/8/15, Lowlands-L <<a href="mailto:lowlands.list@gmail.com">lowlands.list@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> involving both Afrikaans & the Far East *will* kick me up.<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> Regarding 'Nooi':<br>
><br>
> I'm not certain I don't hold with Ron in this matter. The jump from an<br>
> initial 'D' to initial 'N' seems to me a bit of a stretch, & unnecessary,<br>
> even a bit laboured. What Boshoff & Nienaber identified as Fries & Chambers<br>
> called Anglo Saxon, 'nonke' & 'nunna', along the Indo-European Line appears<br>
> to be more pertinant - it It is an old, old string in the language-line &<br>
> owes nothing to the Latin 'Domina'; & moreover it starts with 'N'. I recall<br>
> another M E usage, I think, in which a girl-child is addressed as 'nunkin'.<br>
><br>
> It often happens that the 'Lower Classes' are a tad more conservative in<br>
> language & cultural matters that the more fashionable 'Upper Crust'.<br>
> Afrikaans, I am told (aside from the 'baby-talk' aspects), strikes<br>
> Nederlanders as rather Old-Fashioned. I'm sure the Slamaaiers are too (only<br>
> I trust 'Class' is no longer an issue).<br>
><br>
</div>> I think, & Ron could fill us in here, I suspect, that *if* 'Nonja'<br>
> *isn't*native to the pre-Colonial "Javanese" tongue, it is then more<br>> likely a<br>
> borrowing into the Batavian Trade Argot from the dialects of the North-Sea<br>
> littoral of Europe rather than the Mediterranean/Romance regions.<br>
><br>
> As for 'Baie' / 'Banjak':<br>
><br>
> I can only report that my grandmother, with a basically 'Swartland',<br>
> 'Riebeek-Wes' & 'Wellington' background, did not say 'baie' (as we<br>
> Transvalers do), or 'banje', but something more like 'baing'.<br>
><br>
> Thanks Ron, for that heart-stirring list of the root-stock of the Cape<br>
> Slamaaier - most of whom, I might note, landed up here as political<br>
> prisoners, for getting opstandig about being 'colonised' back Home. I think<br>
> the only ones excepted were the Balinese, who got 'incorporated' too late<br>
> to join the rest, it being about 1900, & the Cape long since a British<br>
> possession.<br>
><br>
> All Yrs,<br>
> Mark<br><br><font></font><font><span></span></font></div>
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