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<font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">From:</font><font><span name="Mike Morgan"> </span><span class="gI"><span name="Dick van Faassen" class="gD">Dick van Faassen</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:faasco@gmail.com">faasco@gmail.com</a></span></span></font><div>
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Subject: </font><font><span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.14 (03) [EN]</span></font><font><span><br><br></span>Hi Lowlanders,<br><br>
Malayan words found their way to the Dutch Royal Navy.</font>
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Because of service in the former Dutch East Indies, the malayan<br>
language was mostly the only way to talk with natives. Surabaya was<br>
the most important naval base in Indonesia. Although the Javanese had<br>
their own language, most of them were bilateral and spoke " Maleis" as<br>
well.<br>
When parts of the ship had been painted, someone wrote on the deck in<br>
chalk: "Awas pakean - tjet baru". (Be aware of your clothes, fresh<br>
painted.) Painting was :tjetten. Being payed was "katje halen" (gadjih<br>
= salary) etc. etc.<br>
When we were called into Naval service (1951), we had to learn basic<br>
"Maleis" even if you never were send to the East, as Indonesia became<br>
independant before (1949).<br><br>
Best regards,</font>
<font><br><br>
Dick.</font>
<font><br><br>-----------<br><br></font><font>From: <span class="gI"><span name="Mark and Ruth Dreyer" class="gD">Mark and Ruth Dreyer</span> <span class="go"><a href="mailto:mrdreyer@telkomsa.net">mrdreyer@telkomsa.net</a></span></span></font><font><br>
Subject: <span class="gI">LL-L "Etymology" 2012.08.14 (03) [EN]</span><br></font><font><br></font><div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><font>Dear Lowlanders; Jacqueline, Ingmar, Elaine &
Ron:</font></div>
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<div><font style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2">Subject:
</font><font><span>LL-L "Etymology"</span></font></div>
<div><font><span></span> </font></div>
<div><font><span>I was pleased to be awoken from my crypt with
this question. Issues involving both Afrikaans & the Far East
<strong>will</strong> kick me up.</span></font></div>
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<div><font><span>Regarding 'Nooi':</span></font></div>
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<div><font><span>I'm not certain I don't hold with Ron in this
matter. The jump from an initial 'D' to initial 'N' seems to me a bit of a
stretch, & unnecessary, even a bit laboured. What Boshoff & Nienaber
identified as Fries & Chambers called Anglo Saxon, 'nonke' & 'nunna',
along the Indo-European Line appears to be more pertinant - it It is
an old, old string in the language-line & owes nothing to the Latin
'Domina'; & moreover it starts with 'N'. I recall another M E usage, I
think, in which a girl-child is addressed as 'nunkin'.</span></font></div>
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<div><font><span>It often happens that the 'Lower Classes' are
a tad more conservative in language & cultural matters that the more
fashionable 'Upper Crust'. Afrikaans, I am told (aside from the 'baby-talk'
aspects), strikes Nederlanders as rather Old-Fashioned. I'm sure the Slamaaiers
are too (only I trust 'Class' is no longer an issue). </span></font></div>
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<div><font><span>I think, & Ron could fill us in here, I
suspect, that <strong>if</strong> 'Nonja' <strong>isn't</strong> native to the
pre-Colonial "Javanese" tongue, it is then more likely a borrowing into the
Batavian Trade Argot from the dialects of the North-Sea littoral of Europe
rather than the Mediterranean/Romance regions.</span></font></div>
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<div><font><span>As for 'Baie' / 'Banjak':</span></font></div>
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<div><font><span>I can only report that my grandmother, with a
basically 'Swartland', 'Riebeek-Wes' & 'Wellington' background, did not say
'baie' (as we Transvalers do), or 'banje', but something more like
'baing'.</span></font></div>
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<div><font><span>Thanks Ron, for that heart-stirring list of
the root-stock of the Cape Slamaaier - most of whom, I might note, landed up
here as political prisoners, for getting opstandig about being 'colonised' back
Home. I think the only ones excepted were the Balinese, who got 'incorporated'
too late to join the rest, it being about 1900, & the Cape long since a
British possession.</span></font></div>
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<div><font><span>All Yrs,</span></font></div>
<div><font><span>Mark</span></font></div></div><font><br></font><font><span></span></font></div>
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