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<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: <span name="Dick van Faassen"><span name="Heiko Evermann"><span name="Paul Finlow-Bates"><span name="Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong"><span name="Dick van Faassen"><span class="gD" name="Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong">Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:Dutchmatters@comcast.net">Dutchmatters@comcast.net</a>></span></span></span></span></span></span></font></span></div>

<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: <span name="Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong">LL-L "Phonology?" 2013.01.29 (02) [EN]</span></font></span></div>

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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: R. F. Hahn <</font><a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">sassisch@yahoo.com</font></span></a><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">><u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: Phonology<u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hi and thanks, Jacqueline!<u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">It's always great to hear and learn from you.<u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I wrote:<u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">s "g" somewhat softly ([ɣ̊]), though not quite as softly ([ɣ]) as most Belgians do, while many northern Netherlanders I listen to make no distinction between "g" and "ch" ([x̠] ~ [χ]).</font></blockquote>

<u></u><u></u><p></p></p></blockquote></div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote></div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">What I was implying was that to my ears the Queen's pronunciation of /g/ is somewhat devoiced ([ɣ̊]) and lies somewhere between "ch" (/x/) and Belgian "soft" (i.e. voiced) /g/ ([ɣ]). <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I would like to suggest that this is almost analogous to the Dutch distinction between "w" ([ʋ]), "v" ([v̥]) and "f" ([f]), and apparently in some dialects also between "z" ([z]), "z" ([z̥]) and "s" ([s]).<u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">This hypothesis is based on the assumption that there are degrees of voicelessness.<u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

</div><div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-right:0in;margin-left:4.8pt">

<div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">PS. Where did you score the phonetic script. I could use one</font></blockquote>

<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></div></blockquote></div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote></div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">There are many ways of accessing such symbols. My favorite online pick-copy-and-paste tool is Richard Ishida's series of Unicode character pickers:<u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="http://rishida.net/scripts/pickers/">http://rishida.net/scripts/pickers/</a></font></blockquote><u></u><u></u></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></font></blockquote></div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Click on "IPA" on the right to access the International Phonetic Alphabet. The neat thing is that the sound is described when you place your cursor on a symbol.<u></u><u></u></font></blockquote>

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</div><div class="MsoNormal"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Groetjes,</font></blockquote>

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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Reinh<span></span>ard/Ron</font></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">

<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Seattle, USA</font></blockquote></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thank you very much!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Jacqueline</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>

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