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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: <span name="Dick van Faassen"><span name="Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong"><span name="Roger Thijs"><span name="Dick van Faassen"><span class="gD" name="Luc Vanbrabant">Luc Vanbrabant</span> <span class="go"><<a href="mailto:lucv32@gmail.com">lucv32@gmail.com</a>></span></span> </span></span></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" dir="ltr"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2013.02.03 (01) [EN]</font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" dir="ltr">
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></font> </div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt" dir="ltr"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hello,<br><br>In a book i am preparing about Dutch in France, i mentione this:<br>
<br></font><i><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><u>BEFFROI (belfort)</u><br><br>INL (</font><a href="http://www.inl.nl/" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://www.inl.nl/</font></a><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> ) doet het komen uit het Oudfrans: belefroi, berfroi<br>
<br>Larousse (diction.): Uit berg (bewaren) en frid (vrede) Nederlands: berg - vrede (store to keep the peace)<br><br>De Sourdeval (diction.) doet het afstammen van bel- fryght (klok - alarm) (verwant met het Engelse fright, angst)<br>
<br>Dan kan het ook komen van N: bel-vrede of bel-fresa, bel-frois (klok - gevaar (vreze)<br></font></i><br><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I think 'berg' has a good chance because on almost every 'belfort' there is a dragon. This was a beast that guarded symbolically the treasures of the city. In this case the 'liberty letters'(?).<br>
<br>Indeed we use 'bel' for a very little bell. We also use 'schelleke' for a little clock that sounds <span lang="en"><span>shrill</span></span>.<br><br> Groetjes,<br>Luc Vanbrabant<br>Oekene<br><br><br>
> From: Roger Thijs </font><a href="mailto:rogerthijs@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">rogerthijs@yahoo.com</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> Subject: LL-L "Etymology"<br>><br>> Hello,<br>> <br>> This is just a request for comments on the etymology of "belfort" and "perron".<br>
> <br>> In the West of the Southern Netherlands and in Nortth-Western France the "belfort-beffroi-belfry" became a typical symbol of the freedoms of a town. It was a bell tower in which the freedom charters of the town were preserved.<br>
> <br>> In the East of the Southern Netherlands the Pricipality of Liège, that included Belgian Limburg, a perron served for the same symbol function.<br>> <br>> </font><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfort_(toren)" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfort_(toren)</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </font><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belforten_in_Belgi%C3%AB_en_Frankrijk" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belforten_in_Belgi%C3%AB_en_Frankrijk</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </font><a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_Heritage_belfries_map.svg" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_Heritage_belfries_map.svg</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </font><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beffrois_de_Belgique_et_de_France" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beffrois_de_Belgique_et_de_France</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </font><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_tower</font></a><br><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <br>
> </font><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perron_(zuil)" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perron_(zuil)</font></a><br><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </font><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perron_(symbole)" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perron_(symbole)</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </font><a href="http://perso.infonie.be/liege06/06six1.htm" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://perso.infonie.be/liege06/06six1.htm</font></a><br><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </font><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perron_(architecture)" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perron_(architecture)</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <br>> The "bel" could be linkled to "bell", but the Dutch word for a large bell is "klok". A normal "bel" in Dutch is the small thing you can hold in hour hand or you have on your bike.<br>
> <br>> In the village, I lived in though, the bell for the angelus was a small one with a high pitch tone. I think the angelus practice (interrupting the work in the fields three times a day for prayinng) - as well as the typical sound - died in the mid fifties.<br>
> In my head "angelus"<br>> </font><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelus_(gebed)" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelus_(gebed)</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> connects to the painting by Millet<br>> </font><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Millet_(II)_001.jpg" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Millet_(II)_001.jpg</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> as well as to these songs:<br>> </font><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDs8L5LCXBc" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDs8L5LCXBc</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> score: </font><a href="http://www.musikiwi.com/paroles/yvonneck-angelus-mer,45127.html" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://www.musikiwi.com/paroles/yvonneck-angelus-mer,45127.html</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </font><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEr-qmj8Tzw" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEr-qmj8Tzw</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> score: </font><a href="http://en.lyrics-copy.com/armand-mestral/le-credo-du-paysan.htm" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://en.lyrics-copy.com/armand-mestral/le-credo-du-paysan.htm</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <br>> Back to the bell of the beffry, the most known in Flanders I guess is "klokke roeland" in the beffry of Gent:<br>> song: </font><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy11JSVuixo" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy11JSVuixo</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> score: </font><a href="http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klokke_Roeland" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klokke_Roeland</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> <br>> The English wikipedia gives:<br>> The word belfry comes from Old French berfrei which is derived from Germanic *bergan "to protect" and *frithuz "peace";<br>
> <br>> For perron is is less clear.<br>> The url at </font><a href="http://infonie.be/" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">infonie.be</font></a><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> gives:<br>
> celle-ci est accotée d'une inscription explicative ainsi conçue : "Peru Voc(or)" "je m'appelle Perron".<br>> In Dutch the word perron is better known for a railway platform.<br>> </font><a href="http://www.etymologiebank.nl/trefwoord/perron" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">http://www.etymologiebank.nl/trefwoord/perron</font></a><br>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> brings it back to Greek: "ontwikkeld uit vulgair Latijn *petrone, augmentatief van petra ‘steen’, ontleend aan Grieks pétrā ‘id.’, "<br>> Regards,<br>> Roger<br>
> <br>> ----------<br>> <br>> From: Roger Thijs </font><a href="mailto:rogerthijs@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">rogerthijs@yahoo.com</font></a><br><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> Subject: LL-L "Etymology"<br>
> <br>> I see in my "sent" that the final ")" bracket is not included in some of the url links.<br>> Please corerct if necessary.<br>> Sorry for the inconvenience.<br>> Roger</font></div>
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