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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: Joachim Kreimer-de Fries </font><a href="mailto:Osnabryg+Lowlands@googlemail.com" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Osnabryg+Lowlands@googlemail.com</font></a></div>
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2013.03.28 (01) [EN]</font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal">
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Oh, happy Maundy Thursday, <br>
dearly beloved LL-brethren,</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">on which a linguistic gem could be cleared and polished in this group!<br></font></div>
<div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Am 28.03.2013 um 01:33 schrieb Reinhard/Ron Hahn:<br></font></div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">However, while in most Low Saxon dialects the word for 'to fight' is </span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><em>fechten</em></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[ˈfɛçtn̩], in many Low Saxon dialects of Eastern Friesland it is </span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><em>fuchten</em></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[ˈfʊxtn̩]. So</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><em>fuchtig<span> </span></em></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">would be something like *"fighty", if English had such a word. Better still, compare it to Scots</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><em>fechtie</em></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[ˈfe:çti:] 'brave', 'courageous' (from</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><em>fecht</em></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[fe:çt] 'to fight').</span><br>
</font></blockquote></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Bingo, Ron, I think this is the final solution for the Lowlandic, Low German origin, meaning and character of the <b>Good-Bye saying</b></font></div>
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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><b>"Haul / Holl di/ju fuchtig!"</b> (& thanks again to Hanne whose engaged message about Plattdeutsch <i>fuchtig</i> provoked these reflections!)</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><b>Frisian thus.</b> Dutch West Frisia <b><i>fjochterich</i></b>,</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Low German East Friesland <i>fuchtig</i>, DE/LS <i>fuchtig</i>. </font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">With full right of residence in the Low Saxon language variety … which this word ought to have in the Dutch language, too, but is not known there. In Standard German it was and is it already at home anyway.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In this case, NL <i>vochtig</i> for "moist" is linguistically an aberration, because the longer duration of the Germanic root syllable <i>fiuht</i> / <i>fūht</i> / LS <i>füücht</i>, is not kept in it. It had better developed as NL <i>vuucht(ig)</i> of <i>vuicht(tig)</i>, by this letting place to a desirable and <b>possible</b> NL <i>vechtig / vachtig / vochtig</i> (from <b>existing!) NL <i>vecht / vacht / vocht</i></b> EN <i>fight, battle </i>etc).</font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Really good, to have a master craftsman on board, Reinhard!</font></div><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I'm going to propose to the <i>Verein Deutsche Sprache (VDS)</i>, to put DE <i>fuchtig</i> (which is a little bit discriminated as "umgangssprachlich = non-standard, colloquial" in the Duden) in a protection list of threatened ancient word monuments …</font></div>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">So finally </font><i><br></i><div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><i>Mandatum novum do vobis</i> "A new commandment I give unto you" (John xiii:34), <br></font></div>
<div><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">to promulgate the productive merits of the Frisian varieties for the Lowlandic language development ;-)<br></font><div><div><div><span style="font-size:19px"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Met echt-westfœlsken »Goutgaun!«</font></span></div>
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<span style="font-size:19px">joachim</span></div><div style="font-size:medium"><span style="font-size:19px">--<br></span><span style="font-size:18px">Kreimer-de Fries - </span><br style="font-size:18px"><span style="font-size:18px">Osnabrügge => Berlin-Pankow </span><span style="font-size:18px">skype kreimer-de_fries</span></div>
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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">From: R. F. Hahn </font><a href="mailto:sassisch@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">sassisch@yahoo.com</font></a></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal">
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<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks for the approval, Joachim!</font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal">
<font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The existence of Scots <span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><em>fechtie</em></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[ˈfe:çti:] 'brave', 'courageous' (from</span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><em>fecht</em></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span> </span></span><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[fe:çt] 'to fight') is pretty important in this context. Don't you think? </span></font></div>
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<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I wrote:</font></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<font color="#660000" face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Another derived meaning of <em>fuchtig</em> is 'wildly gesticulating', 'behaving wildly' (as though fighting). Derived from this is the frequentive form <em>fuchteln</em> [ˈfʊxtl̩n] 'to wave about (wildly)' (also used in German).</font></blockquote>
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<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Here it might be better to use, instead of "frequentive," the label "iterative" (i.e. characterizing several "small" actions in a sequence). This ancient iterative verb marker /-l-/ (as in "cuddle", "tickle", "fondle", <em>kitzeln, kitteln ~ ketten</em>, <em>nuckeln</em>, etc.) is no doubt related to the nominal diminutive marker /-l/ (as in "saddle", "bundle", <em>Beutel</em>, <em>Büdel</em>, <em>Kindl</em>, etc.).</font></span></div>
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<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Happy Easter and happy (continuing) Passover!</font></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal">
<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></font></span> </div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards,<br>
Reinhard/Ron<br>Seattle, USA</font></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </font></div></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;text-align:center;line-height:normal">
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