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<p align="center" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;text-align:center"></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><br></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div title="Page 22">From: bedja ttttr <<a href="mailto:vnoetsjka@hotmail.com">vnoetsjka@hotmail.com</a>><br>

Subject: FW: Lowlands-L : 17th Century Dutch<br><br>I would like to send this again in the hope it comes through readable this time.<br><div><br><div dir="ltr">Hello List,<br>Does anyone know whether the Dutch spoken in the 18th century pronounced the "s" in front of the consonants 'p' or 't' like "sh"? <br>

German does this today -> spazieren, Spagetti, Stern, steigen, Steuer...<br><br>I am wondering about this, because Russian in some cases transformed the initial "s" of Dutch loanwords into "sh":<br>

stuurman-> штюрман (modern russian штyрман, shturman) <br>sloep-> шлюпка (shlyupka)<br>snoer      ->шнур   flex, cord (shnur)<br>vlaggestok  -> флагшток (flagshtok, flagstaff)<br>straf - штраф (shtraf, fine/punishment)<br>

etc. ( there is more examples, I will not cite all)<br><br>Or would it have been 17th century Russian that did this sound transformation?<br><br>In the last example, there is also the fact that Dutch "g" which should be "x" in Russian to represent the same phoneme, becomes a "g" in (like "g" in English) флагшток.<br>

<br>Thanks for any input.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:rgb(234,209,220)">[Rebecca Giersiefen]</span></div></div><div title="Page 22"><br></div></div></div><div align="center" style="font-size:12.727272033691406px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0in 0in 0pt">

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