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<p><font face="Calibri">"</font><font face="Calibri">This explains
the loss of the nasal." -- I'm sorry for being so ignorant, dear
Marcel, but where is a nasal in any of these words? I am just
trying to understand...</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Hartlich</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Marlou</font><br>
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<div>Good afternoon, all, Michael,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Indeed, High German _Pfad_, Dutch _pad_, and
English _path_ did not enter these languages through the
normal *path*. According to my tutor Michael de Vaan it
entered the Germanic languages through an Eastern Iranian
language, and not through Latin. </div>
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<div dir="auto">It must have entered the Germanic languages
after Grimm's Law turned PIE p- into f-, otherwise we would
have had English *fath and Dutch *vad. </div>
<div dir="auto">Cf. Old Avestan _patha_ 'way'. This explains the
loss of the nasal. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The European plains have had visits from several
Eastern Iranian tribes such as the Sarmatians, who were
dwelling in the Pontic steppe through which they had access to
these plains. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Best regards, </div>
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<div dir="auto">Marcel. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Op 18 jul. 2017 8:11 a.m. schreef
"Lowlands Languages & Cultures" <<a
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<div dir="ltr">to put it into wider-than-Germanic
perspective, the word is definitely Indo-European: cf
Russian путь, Old Church Slavoinc пѫть, Sanskrit पथः,
and English path, Anglo-Saxon <span
class="m_8022441526601369271gmail-st">pæþ</span>,
Dutch pad, and German Pfad, all with basically the
same meaning path, way, course, route. Indo-European
would have been *panthis. And the common link with
Latin pons, acc. pontem, etc would indicate maybe an
even more basic meaning of the rood "how to get from
here to there"<br>
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And, matching well with what Marcel said above about
(High) German words starting in *p, IE roots in *p-
do not normally give German words in in *p (ratehr,
like Pfad, they give words in *pf-), indicating
that, although common Indo-European, and with
Germanic cognates, the German*p words got into
German not by the normal path (excuse the pun) but
through borrowing (in this case no doubt from Latin,
though it could conceivably come form Low German...
though the nasal would tend to indicate Latin not
Low German. If the loan were very very early, then
Slavic might also conceivably be a source, but given
the sense of the word, this seems unlikely)<br>
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