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<p class="MsoNormal">“-- I'm sorry for being so ignorant, dear Marcel, but where is a nasal in any of these words? I am just trying to understand...”</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The nasal in Latin Pons, Pontis, German Pünte etc that were being discussed in earlier posts :-)
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<p>"This explains the loss of the nasal." -- I'm sorry for being so ignorant, dear Marcel, but where is a nasal in any of these words? I am just trying to understand...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 18.07.2017 um 14:52 schrieb Lowlands Languages & Cultures:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Indeed, High German _Pfad_, Dutch _pad_, and English _path_ did not enter these languages through the normal *path*. According to my tutor Michael de Vaan it entered the Germanic languages through an Eastern Iranian language, and not through
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<p class="MsoNormal">It must have entered the Germanic languages after Grimm's Law turned PIE p- into f-, otherwise we would have had English *fath and Dutch *vad. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cf. Old Avestan _patha_ 'way'. This explains the loss of the nasal. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The European plains have had visits from several Eastern Iranian tribes such as the Sarmatians, who were dwelling in the Pontic steppe through which they had access to these plains. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Op 18 jul. 2017 8:11 a.m. schreef "Lowlands Languages & Cultures" <<a href="mailto:lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org">lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">to put it into wider-than-Germanic perspective, the word is definitely Indo-European: cf Russian путь, Old Church Slavoinc пѫть, Sanskrit
<span style="font-family:"Nirmala UI",sans-serif">पथः</span>, and English path, Anglo-Saxon
<span class="m8022441526601369271gmail-st">pæþ</span>, Dutch pad, and German Pfad, all with basically the same meaning path, way, course, route. Indo-European would have been *panthis. And the common link with Latin pons, acc. pontem, etc would indicate maybe
an even more basic meaning of the rood "how to get from here to there"<o:p></o:p></p>
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And, matching well with what Marcel said above about (High) German words starting in *p, IE roots in *p- do not normally give German words in in *p (ratehr, like Pfad, they give words in *pf-), indicating that, although common Indo-European, and with Germanic
cognates, the German*p words got into German not by the normal path (excuse the pun) but through borrowing (in this case no doubt from Latin, though it could conceivably come form Low German... though the nasal would tend to indicate Latin not Low German.
If the loan were very very early, then Slavic might also conceivably be a source, but given the sense of the word, this seems unlikely)<br>
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