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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=DE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#69676D'>Sorry, guys, I have no time for this any more. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#69676D'>I’m off. (Und danke, Marlou, für die Tipps.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#69676D'>Mathias<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#69676D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#69676D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#69676D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> LOWLANDS-L [mailto:lowlands-l-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Lowlands Languages & Cultures<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 21. Juli 2017 09:54<br><b>An:</b> lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Lowlands-l] Google Translate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p><p>in the wake of the Google and Facebook topic, I would like to add that these people <a href="https://swiftkey.com/de">https://swiftkey.com/de</a> are working on a Low German keyboard app. If you look up the supported languages here <a href="https://swiftkey.com/de/keyboard/android/">https://swiftkey.com/de/keyboard/android/</a>, you don't see it, but here <a href="https://support.swiftkey.com/hc/en-us/articles/201598431-What-languages-are-currently-supported-for-SwiftKey-on-Android">https://support.swiftkey.com/hc/en-us/articles/201598431-What-languages-are-currently-supported-for-SwiftKey-on-Android</a>- it is listed. Don't ask me how to install Low German for the app, I hate typing on a smartphone and haven't got the app. <o:p></o:p></p><p>As to the dialect or type of Low German implemented there, it will be rather strict Sass Platt. My friend Hein Thies <a href="http://heinrichthies.de/">http://heinrichthies.de/</a>, a man of immeasurable merit and unceasing activity for Platt, is working on it and supplying the Swiftkey people with his word lists for the Sass Dictionaries <a href="http://sassplatt.de/">http://sassplatt.de/</a> which he updates and continues. But of course the app is thought to "learn" from it's user, so it should be possible to train it to any other dialect... I would like to know, but still I won't install the app <span class=moz-smiley-s1>:-)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>Hartlich Gröten from North Germany!<o:p></o:p></p><p>Marlou<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Am 21.07.2017 um 08:49 schrieb Lowlands Languages & Cultures:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8581"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>The question of "closest£ when it comes to languages is very dependent on definition. A philological tree re[resents how different languages developed; it doesn't reflect intelligibility. The classic case is the Scandinavian languages. Norwegian classifies as a West Norse language, on a branch with Faroese and Icelandic. Swedish is East Norse, a distinct branch. The reality is that most Norwegians would struggle to understand more than a handful of words of Icelandic, but can converse with a Swede comfortably.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8581"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8581"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8582"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8814"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8813"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8812"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8811"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Lowlands Languages & Cultures <a href="mailto:lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org"><lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org></a><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org">lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 21 July 2017, 6:50<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lowlands-l] Google Translate</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8888"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv8558279963><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1500619307510_8889"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>I don't like the idea of creating a kind of rivalry between minority languages so this thread makes me feel uncomfortable. West Frisian is (as the North Frisian languages and Saterfrisian) a language of its own, even if it might show results of the contact to Dutch. I might say the same about Dutch as I wasn't able to learn it because my Low Saxon was stronger and taking control. I can read Dutch without big problems - so Dutch isn't more than a Low Saxon dialect, right? Okay, that was a pun. I hope you get my point.<br>Why cannot we applaude Google Translate and Facebook for their decision and work on for getting the same for Low Saxon and other minority languages?<br><br>As for the relations between the languages around the North Sea: Through the centuries they had many contacts because of migration, trade and politics. Of course that had an impact on the languages. English is even the best example how a language develops because of history. Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Normans - they all came to conquer what we know today as England. They all brought their own languages as sign of their mastery.<br><br>Greetings from Kiel,<br><br>Anja<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><br><-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv8558279963yqt63874><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="99%" style='width:99.0%;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:98.25pt'><td width=3 style='width:2.25pt;background:#EFEFF1;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:98.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=3 style='width:2.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:98.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="98%" style='width:98.0%;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:98.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From: Lowlands Languages & Cultures [<a href="mailto:lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org">lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>]</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>Sent: 20/7/2017 9:50:18 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org">lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Lowlands-l] Google Translate </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR>Yes. Definitely lively, that's</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> <span dir=LTR>why we should make Google add it</span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=AR-SA><span dir=RTL></span>.</span><span dir=LTR><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I really don't see the point of making West Frisian a seperate language though, <span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>as it doesn't contain that much of a unique vocabulary, and strongly resembles Dutch. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=HE>בתאריך</span><span lang=AR-SA> 20</span><span lang=HE> ביולי 2017 8:24 אחה״צ,</span><span lang=AR-SA> "</span><span dir=LTR>Lowlands Languages</span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=AR-SA><span dir=RTL></span> & </span><span dir=LTR>Cultures</span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=AR-SA><span dir=RTL></span>" <<a href="mailto:lowlands-l@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank"><span lang=DE dir=LTR>lowlands-l@listserv</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span>. <span lang=DE dir=LTR>linguistlist.org</span></a><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span>> </span><span lang=HE>כתב:</span><span lang=AR-SA><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=LTR>On</span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=AR-SA><span dir=RTL></span> 20/07/2017 11:18 </span><span dir=LTR>AM, Eitan</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span> <span dir=LTR>wrote</span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=AR-SA><span dir=RTL></span>:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<span lang=AR-SA dir=RTL><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> I've requested Facebook they should add low german into their language poll since they recently had added West Frisian which isn't much an obvious choice.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That being the case, to my surprise Google Translate added West Frisian as well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't consider West frisian the closest language to English language because of certain reasons. Here's what I wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Low german (of plaudietsch language) is spoken by 450,000 people around the world, which is about on par with Frisian on the total. It has a rich body of literature, including the bible, and many unique expressions and vowel sounds. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Compared to what is spoken in west friesland, it's a fully-fledged and dynamic language. And while it is true that Frisian is recognised minority language in the Netherlands, Plautdietsch is recognised in belize and has a minority status there.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do you agree?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=AR-SA><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf55TFRG-2w" target="_blank"><span lang=DE dir=LTR>https://www.youtube.com/watch</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span>? <span lang=DE dir=LTR>v=tf55TFRG-2w</span></a><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lV4S4VLhV0" target="_blank"><span lang=DE dir=LTR>https://www.youtube.com/watch</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span>? <span lang=DE dir=LTR>v=9lV4S4VLhV0</span></a><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdaLj8jkJfI" target="_blank"><span lang=DE dir=LTR>https://www.youtube.com/watch</span><span dir=RTL></span><span dir=RTL></span>? <span lang=DE dir=LTR>v=EdaLj8jkJfI</span></a><br><br></span><span dir=LTR>Sure doesn't look dead to me</span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=AR-SA><span dir=RTL></span>.<br><br></span><span dir=LTR>Ed Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=AR-SA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=AR-SA> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=AR-SA><br>______________________________ _________________<br></span><span dir=LTR>LOWLANDS-L mailing list</span><span lang=AR-SA><br><a href="mailto:LOWLANDS-L@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank"><span lang=DE dir=LTR>LOWLANDS-L@listserv.linguistli</span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=DE><span dir=RTL></span> </span><span lang=DE dir=LTR>st.org</span></a><br><a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lowlands-l" target="_blank"><span lang=DE dir=LTR>http://listserv.linguistlist.o</span><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=DE><span dir=RTL></span> </span><span lang=DE dir=LTR>rg/mailman/listinfo/lowlands-l</span></a></span><span dir=LTR><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></td></tr></table></div></div></div></div><div id=yqt00712><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>LOWLANDS-L mailing list<br><a href="mailto:LOWLANDS-L@listserv.linguistlist.org">LOWLANDS-L@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br><a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lowlands-l" target="_blank">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lowlands-l</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>LOWLANDS-L mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:LOWLANDS-L@listserv.linguistlist.org">LOWLANDS-L@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lowlands-l">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lowlands-l</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>