From schwallr at selway.umt.edu  Wed May  5 17:46:56 1999
From: schwallr at selway.umt.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:46:56 -0600
Subject: Addition to the web site
Message-ID: <WED.5.MAY.1999.114656.0600.>

Anthony Appleyard has made a wonderful addition to the Nahuat-l web site.
For some time now we have posted the multi-dialectical glossary prepared by
R. Joe Campbell.  The glossary, however, was organized in Spanish to
Nahuatl and Nahuatl to Spanish.  Anthony manipulated the file to also
provide an English to Nahuatl version.  You can consult all the versions by
going to this URL:

http://www.umt.edu/history/nahuatl/multidia.htm

J. F. Schwaller


John Frederick Schwaller                             schwallr at selway.umt.edu
Associate Provost                                        406-243-4722
The University of Montana                           FAX 406-243-5937
                          http://www.umt.edu/history/NAHUATL/


From web1 at hubbell.com.mx  Fri May  7 23:50:21 1999
From: web1 at hubbell.com.mx (webmaster)
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 17:50:21 -0600
Subject: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <FRI.7.MAY.1999.175021.0600.>

=BFalguien sbe el significado de la palabra Huimila? es una zona =
localizada en el sureste de la ciudad de M=E9xico


From a.perri at pronet.it  Mon May 10 09:26:46 1999
From: a.perri at pronet.it (Antonio Perri)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:26:46 -0600
Subject: R: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <MON.10.MAY.1999.032646.0600.>

Creo que hay algun error en la grafia del nombre de lugar del cual estas
hablando. En primer lugar, parece inusual la terminacion "ma" del nombre de
lugar (solo "Acolman" tiene una suffixacion similar, creo derivable de
"acol-m-ano-yan", el lugar en onde los brazos se hacen grandes"); en segundo
lugar, falta a manera e ver una raiz ya sea nominal o verbal "huilitl" o
"uilitl". Acaso poria ser una forma del impersonal el verbo "yauh" (es
decir, "uiloa")? En este caso, se podria analizar el nombre como
"huiloa-m-ano-yan", que non tiene un sentido claro ni me persuae e alguna
manera ("el lugar donde se se crece yendo"?)...
Si el nombre est� manuscrito, podria tambi�n tratarse de una grafia
equivocada de lugares bien conocios como por ejemplo "Uipilan" (el cual
puedes buscar el glifo en el Codex Mendoza).
Si tienes mas informaciones sobre el nombre, puedes enviarmelas?
Hasta pronto


-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: webmaster <web1 at hubbell.com.mx>
A: Multiple recipients of list <nahuat-l at server.umt.edu>
Data: sabato 8 maggio 1999 2.58
Oggetto: Significado de la palabra Huilima


>=BFalguien sbe el significado de la palabra Huimila? es una zona =
>localizada en el sureste de la ciudad de M=E9xico


From henry.kammler at stadt-frankfurt.de  Mon May 10 10:44:45 1999
From: henry.kammler at stadt-frankfurt.de (Henry Kammler)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:44:45 -0600
Subject: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <MON.10.MAY.1999.044445.0600.>

> =BFalguien sbe el significado de la palabra Huimila? es una zona =
> localizada en el sureste de la ciudad de M=E9xico

huimila o huilima ???

"huilima" me parece raro,

mientras que
"huimila" podri4a ser algo como:
HUEY - MIL - (T)LAN  "lugar de las milpas grandes" o
HUEY - MIL - (T)LAH "donde hay muchas milpas grandes"

adivinando, no mas...

Henry


From fjgs at servidor.unam.mx  Mon May 10 19:35:23 1999
From: fjgs at servidor.unam.mx (Ehecatecolotl)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:35:23 -0600
Subject: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <MON.10.MAY.1999.133523.0600.>

>Creo que hay algun error en la grafia del nombre de lugar del cual estas
>hablando. En primer lugar, parece inusual la terminacion "ma" del nombre de
>lugar (solo "Acolman" tiene una suffixacion similar, creo derivable de
>"acol-m-ano-yan", el lugar en onde los brazos se hacen grandes"); en
segundo



Con el debido respeto y sin pretencion de saber mas alla de lo que es
aparente, la terminacion -man me parece si no bastante comun si presente en
mas de un locativo. Estan entre ellos coliman, chalman, y algunas otras que
escapan a mi memoria. Alguien me dijo que -man es un locativo aun mas
arcaico que -co


From a.perri at pronet.it  Mon May 10 21:53:07 1999
From: a.perri at pronet.it (Antonio Perri)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:53:07 -0600
Subject: R: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <MON.10.MAY.1999.155307.0600.>

Agradezco tu sugestion. Creo que si, hay nombres de lugares con
terminacion -man, y estoy de acuerdo sobre que debe tratarse de un sufijo
arcaico, pues en los diccionarios mas comunes todos los nombres de lugar que
asi se terminan (no muchos, en realidad) no tienen una analisis morfologica
certa (es decir, el sufijo ya no estava productivo a la epoca en que Molina
recopilaba su diccionario, lo que no pasava con otros sufijos como por
ejemplo el comunisimo -co, -yan, -pan, y otros).
Mi conocimiento del nahuatl, como es obvio debido al hecho de que vivo en
Italia y soy italiano, se limita al idioma clasico e se form� unicamente
sobre textos escritos. Entonces nunca pretendia emitir juicios sino
tentativos, y sin embrargo sujetos a la experiencia de los que estudian ese
idioma desde hace muchos anos, lo conocen tambi�n como hablantes, o lo han
oido directamente en su lugar de origen.
(Mi castellano tambi�n no es excelente...)
De toas maneras, gracias por tu util indicacion.
Antonio
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Ehecatecolotl <fjgs at servidor.unam.mx>
A: Multiple recipients of list <nahuat-l at server.umt.edu>
Data: luned� 10 maggio 1999 22.42
Oggetto: Re: Significado de la palabra Huilima


>
>>Creo que hay algun error en la grafia del nombre de lugar del cual estas
>>hablando. En primer lugar, parece inusual la terminacion "ma" del nombre
de
>>lugar (solo "Acolman" tiene una suffixacion similar, creo derivable de
>>"acol-m-ano-yan", el lugar en onde los brazos se hacen grandes"); en
>segundo
>
>
>
>Con el debido respeto y sin pretencion de saber mas alla de lo que es
>aparente, la terminacion -man me parece si no bastante comun si presente en
>mas de un locativo. Estan entre ellos coliman, chalman, y algunas otras que
>escapan a mi memoria. Alguien me dijo que -man es un locativo aun mas
>arcaico que -co
>


From schwallr at selway.umt.edu  Wed May 12 15:37:48 1999
From: schwallr at selway.umt.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:37:48 -0600
Subject: Lord's Prayer, Molina Version
Message-ID: <WED.12.MAY.1999.093748.0600.>

In response to requests for various historic prayers in Nahuatl, what
follows is the version of the Lord's Prayer composed by Fr. Alonso de
Molina and published in 1546 as part of his Doctrina Cristiana Breve

	Totatzine in ilhuicac timoyetztica ma yecteneualo in motocatzin.  Ma
uallauh in motlatocayotzin.  Ma chiualo in tlalticpac in ticmonequiltia in
iuh chiualo in ilhuicac.  Yn totlaxcal in momoztlae totechmonequi ma axcan
xitechmomaquili.  Ma xitechmopopolhuili in totlatlacol in iuh
tiquimpopolhuia in techtlatlacalhuia.  Macamo xitechmotlalcauili inic amo
ypan tiuetzizque in teneyeyecoltiliztli.  Ma xitechmomaquixtili in iuicpa
in amoqualli.  Mayuh muchiua.


John Frederick Schwaller                             schwallr at selway.umt.edu
Associate Provost                                        406-243-4722
The University of Montana                           FAX 406-243-5937
                          http://www.umt.edu/history/NAHUATL/


From FERNANMK at diba.es  Thu May 13 06:53:20 1999
From: FERNANMK at diba.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez_Georges=2C_Mikel?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:53:20 -0600
Subject: RV: AYUDARSE EN EL ESTUDIO
Message-ID: <THU.13.MAY.1999.005320.0600.>

=A1Buenos d=EDas!

Estoy interesado en aprender nahuatl moderno. Dispongo de varios =
m=E9todos de
aprendizaje, literatura, cassettes de m=FAsica y narraciones, un nuevo
testamento, libros con los que se ense=F1a nahuatl en las escuelas =
mexicanas,
una copia en v=EDdeo de un film =EDntegramente hablado en nahautl,  =
etc.

La mayor=EDa se refiere al dialecto de la Huasteca (el que tiene m=E1s
hablantes) , pero tambi=E9n  del de Zongolica, Distrito Federal (Milpa =
alta) i
Cl=E1sico.=20

Vivo en Barcelona, Europa, y no tengo m=E1s remedio que intentar el =
auto
aprendizaje, pero soy consciente de la dificultad de estudiar solo.=20

Por ello estar=EDa muy interesado en contactar con m=E1s gente =
interesada en
estudiar,  intercambiar material, resolver dudas  y/o ayudarnos unos a =
otros
para facilitar las dificultades de estudiar en casa. Cuanto m=E1s cerca =
de
Barcelona mejor.=20

Yo me expreso mejor en castellano que en Ingl=E9s.=20

Mi e-mail particular es:

   fernanmk at diba.es <mailto:fernanmk at diba.es>=20


From domingue at abacom.com  Thu May 13 18:35:12 1999
From: domingue at abacom.com (Jose A. Dominguez)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:35:12 -0600
Subject: AYUDARSE EN EL ESTUDIO
Message-ID: <THU.13.MAY.1999.123512.0600.>

Buenos dias Sr. Fernandez,

Yo soy un mexicano que quiere aprender Nahuatl tambien, pero dispongo de muy
pocos libros o cassettes.

�Podria Ud. darme los titulos y los nombres de los libros utilizados en las
escuelas en M�xico, asi como en donde los compro Ud.?

Le estare muy agradecido por este servicio.

Gracias y buen dia.

Jos� A. Dominguez     domingue at abacom.com


From schwallr at selway.umt.edu  Thu May 13 18:51:55 1999
From: schwallr at selway.umt.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:51:55 -0600
Subject: Recursos para el estudio del Nahuat-l
Message-ID: <THU.13.MAY.1999.125155.0600.>

Hay dos fuentes de gran importancia que les pueden ayudar en buscar
recursos para el estudio del Nahuatl.  El primero en la pagina web de esta
misma lista,
http://www.umt.edu/history/nahuatl/

Alla se hace el "click" en "Books on Nahuatl", que se lleva al siguiente:
http://www.umt.edu/history/nahuatl/hotlinks.htm

Ques es una descripcion del libro de Campbell y Karttunen que es casi el
unico ya disponible aqui en los EEUU.  En aquella pagina se puede hacer el
"click" en "More Books on Nahuatl" que se lleva a la pagina de Ricardo
Salvador , Soc.Culture.Mexico:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~rjsalvad/scmfaq/nahuatl.html

Con estos se sabe todo lo que podemos compartir.

J. F. Schwaller


John Frederick Schwaller                             schwallr at selway.umt.edu
Associate Provost                                        406-243-4722
The University of Montana                           FAX 406-243-5937
                          http://www.umt.edu/history/NAHUATL/


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From mdmorris at indiana.edu  Sun May 23 01:39:29 1999
From: mdmorris at indiana.edu (Mark Morris)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 19:39:29 -0600
Subject: IJHL Advertisement
Message-ID: <SAT.22.MAY.1999.193929.0600.>

The fall 1998 issue of the Indiana Journal of Hispanic Literatures
publishes the papers presented at the "Mexican Codices and Archeology"
conference organized by J. Gordon Brotherston and Geoff Conrad and held
at Indiana University in December 1997.  The conference had the purpose
of bringing together recent research in Mesoamerican writing and
archeology, which Brotherston notes, "has made it possible for the first
time to explore, and in some cases resolve, certain long-standing
enigmas in Mesoamerican culture and history."  Having been able to
participate in this conference through the help of R. Joe Campbell and
Gordon Brotherston, I would have to agree that the fruits shown by some
of the other participants from this hybrid endeavor were, at the least,
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Mark Morris



Number 13, Fall 1998

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Javier Urcid, Codices on Stone: The Genesis of Writing in Ancient Oaxaca

Tim Laughton, Izapa: A Preclassic Codex in Stone

Charles Twardy, Philosophical Lessons from Maya astronomy

Maarten Jansen, Purpose and Provenience of the Mixtec Codices

Manuel Hermann Lejarazu, The Dynastic History of the Lords of �unaha

Byron Hamann, First-born Son of a First-born Son? Discontinuous
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Bas van Doesburg, Commercializing Coixtlahuaca History: The Twentieth
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Luis Reyes Garc�a, Documentos pictogr�ficos del se�or�o popoloca de
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Adam Sellen, The Headlong Plunge in the Ritual Codices

Jo Harwood, Maps that Shape Ritual: The Idea of Movement in the Title
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Jeanne Gillespie, Establishing World Order in Mesoamerica: the Codex
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Gordon Brotherston, Reading Ancient Landscapes in and through the
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Galen Brokaw, Indigenous and European Discursive Modes in Colonial
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Mark Morris, The Transculturation of Justice in New Spain: Tepeaca's
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Anne Pyburn,Opening the Door to Xibalba: The Construction of Maya
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From mdmorris at indiana.edu  Sun May 23 15:20:25 1999
From: mdmorris at indiana.edu (Mark Morris)
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:20:25 -0600
Subject: R: IJHL Advertisement
Message-ID: <SUN.23.MAY.1999.092025.0600.>

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From campbel at indiana.edu  Mon May 31 19:39:55 1999
From: campbel at indiana.edu (R. Joe Campbell)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:39:55 -0600
Subject: Hospital infantil
Message-ID: <MON.31.MAY.1999.133955.0600.>

Jorge,
   Para representar "California", se me ocurren tres posibilidades:
 1) California (tomar prestado el nombre sin cambios);
 2) Calipolnia (tomarlo prestado, cambiandolo segun el sistema fonologico
    del Nahuatl;
 3) Totoncatexcalcan (traducir los elementos del nombre original):
    Cal(i) - forn (ia)
    caliente- horno-[lugar]
    totonca- texcal(li)-can

   Para "Hospital Infantil", yo habia pensado "cocoxcaconecalli":
   cocoxca  -  cone(tl)  -  calli
   enfermo  -  nin~o     -  casa

Pero me gusto' mas la traduccion de Mark:  conetepahtiloyan, que tiene dos
aspectos a su favor -- 1) es muy comun la formacion de los nombres de
lugar de actividad directamente del verbo y 2) de mas importancia,
"conetepahtiloyan" expresa algo de carin~o, porque alli es donde se curan.
Aunque "cocoxcaconecalli" es una palabra legitima, podri'a ser que alli se
almacenen los enfermitos!

Saludos,

Joe


>=20
> =BFC=F3mo dir=EDan en n=E1huatl Hospital Infantil de las
> Californias? (Se trata de una instituci=F3n de asistencia
> gratuita.) Voy a regalarles un dibujo y quisiera poner ese
> nombre en el marco.


From mdmorris at indiana.edu  Mon May 31 17:07:27 1999
From: mdmorris at indiana.edu (Mark Morris)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:07:27 -0600
Subject: Hospital infantil
Message-ID: <MON.31.MAY.1999.110727.0600.>

Jorge,

Creo las surgencias a pie serian aceptables y sino vamos a conocer en poco.
Saludos,  Mark Morris


Conepahticalli in California

Conetepahtiloyan in California


From bardahl at infosel.net.mx  Mon May 31 06:21:55 1999
From: bardahl at infosel.net.mx (Jorge de Buen)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:21:55 -0600
Subject: Hospital infantil
Message-ID: <MON.31.MAY.1999.002155.0600.>

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Estimados amigos:

�C�mo dir�an en n�huatl Hospital Infantil de las
Californias? (Se trata de una instituci�n de asistencia
gratuita.) Voy a regalarles un dibujo y quisiera poner ese
nombre en el marco.

Gracias.

Jorge de Buen U.
bardahl at infosel.net.mx
Tijuana, M�xico


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<p>&iquest;C&oacute;mo dir&iacute;an en n&aacute;huatl <i>Hospital Infantil
de las Californias</i>? (Se trata de una instituci&oacute;n de asistencia
gratuita.) Voy a regalarles un dibujo y quisiera poner ese nombre en el
marco.
<p>Gracias.
<p>Jorge de Buen U.
<br>bardahl at infosel.net.mx
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From schwallr at selway.umt.edu  Wed May  5 17:46:56 1999
From: schwallr at selway.umt.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:46:56 -0600
Subject: Addition to the web site
Message-ID: <WED.5.MAY.1999.114656.0600.>

Anthony Appleyard has made a wonderful addition to the Nahuat-l web site.
For some time now we have posted the multi-dialectical glossary prepared by
R. Joe Campbell.  The glossary, however, was organized in Spanish to
Nahuatl and Nahuatl to Spanish.  Anthony manipulated the file to also
provide an English to Nahuatl version.  You can consult all the versions by
going to this URL:

http://www.umt.edu/history/nahuatl/multidia.htm

J. F. Schwaller


John Frederick Schwaller                             schwallr at selway.umt.edu
Associate Provost                                        406-243-4722
The University of Montana                           FAX 406-243-5937
                          http://www.umt.edu/history/NAHUATL/


From web1 at hubbell.com.mx  Fri May  7 23:50:21 1999
From: web1 at hubbell.com.mx (webmaster)
Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 17:50:21 -0600
Subject: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <FRI.7.MAY.1999.175021.0600.>

=BFalguien sbe el significado de la palabra Huimila? es una zona =
localizada en el sureste de la ciudad de M=E9xico


From a.perri at pronet.it  Mon May 10 09:26:46 1999
From: a.perri at pronet.it (Antonio Perri)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 03:26:46 -0600
Subject: R: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <MON.10.MAY.1999.032646.0600.>

Creo que hay algun error en la grafia del nombre de lugar del cual estas
hablando. En primer lugar, parece inusual la terminacion "ma" del nombre de
lugar (solo "Acolman" tiene una suffixacion similar, creo derivable de
"acol-m-ano-yan", el lugar en onde los brazos se hacen grandes"); en segundo
lugar, falta a manera e ver una raiz ya sea nominal o verbal "huilitl" o
"uilitl". Acaso poria ser una forma del impersonal el verbo "yauh" (es
decir, "uiloa")? En este caso, se podria analizar el nombre como
"huiloa-m-ano-yan", que non tiene un sentido claro ni me persuae e alguna
manera ("el lugar donde se se crece yendo"?)...
Si el nombre est? manuscrito, podria tambi?n tratarse de una grafia
equivocada de lugares bien conocios como por ejemplo "Uipilan" (el cual
puedes buscar el glifo en el Codex Mendoza).
Si tienes mas informaciones sobre el nombre, puedes enviarmelas?
Hasta pronto


-----Messaggio originale-----
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Data: sabato 8 maggio 1999 2.58
Oggetto: Significado de la palabra Huilima


>=BFalguien sbe el significado de la palabra Huimila? es una zona =
>localizada en el sureste de la ciudad de M=E9xico


From henry.kammler at stadt-frankfurt.de  Mon May 10 10:44:45 1999
From: henry.kammler at stadt-frankfurt.de (Henry Kammler)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:44:45 -0600
Subject: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <MON.10.MAY.1999.044445.0600.>

> =BFalguien sbe el significado de la palabra Huimila? es una zona =
> localizada en el sureste de la ciudad de M=E9xico

huimila o huilima ???

"huilima" me parece raro,

mientras que
"huimila" podri4a ser algo como:
HUEY - MIL - (T)LAN  "lugar de las milpas grandes" o
HUEY - MIL - (T)LAH "donde hay muchas milpas grandes"

adivinando, no mas...

Henry


From fjgs at servidor.unam.mx  Mon May 10 19:35:23 1999
From: fjgs at servidor.unam.mx (Ehecatecolotl)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:35:23 -0600
Subject: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <MON.10.MAY.1999.133523.0600.>

>Creo que hay algun error en la grafia del nombre de lugar del cual estas
>hablando. En primer lugar, parece inusual la terminacion "ma" del nombre de
>lugar (solo "Acolman" tiene una suffixacion similar, creo derivable de
>"acol-m-ano-yan", el lugar en onde los brazos se hacen grandes"); en
segundo



Con el debido respeto y sin pretencion de saber mas alla de lo que es
aparente, la terminacion -man me parece si no bastante comun si presente en
mas de un locativo. Estan entre ellos coliman, chalman, y algunas otras que
escapan a mi memoria. Alguien me dijo que -man es un locativo aun mas
arcaico que -co


From a.perri at pronet.it  Mon May 10 21:53:07 1999
From: a.perri at pronet.it (Antonio Perri)
Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:53:07 -0600
Subject: R: Significado de la palabra Huilima
Message-ID: <MON.10.MAY.1999.155307.0600.>

Agradezco tu sugestion. Creo que si, hay nombres de lugares con
terminacion -man, y estoy de acuerdo sobre que debe tratarse de un sufijo
arcaico, pues en los diccionarios mas comunes todos los nombres de lugar que
asi se terminan (no muchos, en realidad) no tienen una analisis morfologica
certa (es decir, el sufijo ya no estava productivo a la epoca en que Molina
recopilaba su diccionario, lo que no pasava con otros sufijos como por
ejemplo el comunisimo -co, -yan, -pan, y otros).
Mi conocimiento del nahuatl, como es obvio debido al hecho de que vivo en
Italia y soy italiano, se limita al idioma clasico e se form? unicamente
sobre textos escritos. Entonces nunca pretendia emitir juicios sino
tentativos, y sin embrargo sujetos a la experiencia de los que estudian ese
idioma desde hace muchos anos, lo conocen tambi?n como hablantes, o lo han
oido directamente en su lugar de origen.
(Mi castellano tambi?n no es excelente...)
De toas maneras, gracias por tu util indicacion.
Antonio
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Data: luned? 10 maggio 1999 22.42
Oggetto: Re: Significado de la palabra Huilima


>
>>Creo que hay algun error en la grafia del nombre de lugar del cual estas
>>hablando. En primer lugar, parece inusual la terminacion "ma" del nombre
de
>>lugar (solo "Acolman" tiene una suffixacion similar, creo derivable de
>>"acol-m-ano-yan", el lugar en onde los brazos se hacen grandes"); en
>segundo
>
>
>
>Con el debido respeto y sin pretencion de saber mas alla de lo que es
>aparente, la terminacion -man me parece si no bastante comun si presente en
>mas de un locativo. Estan entre ellos coliman, chalman, y algunas otras que
>escapan a mi memoria. Alguien me dijo que -man es un locativo aun mas
>arcaico que -co
>


From schwallr at selway.umt.edu  Wed May 12 15:37:48 1999
From: schwallr at selway.umt.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:37:48 -0600
Subject: Lord's Prayer, Molina Version
Message-ID: <WED.12.MAY.1999.093748.0600.>

In response to requests for various historic prayers in Nahuatl, what
follows is the version of the Lord's Prayer composed by Fr. Alonso de
Molina and published in 1546 as part of his Doctrina Cristiana Breve

	Totatzine in ilhuicac timoyetztica ma yecteneualo in motocatzin.  Ma
uallauh in motlatocayotzin.  Ma chiualo in tlalticpac in ticmonequiltia in
iuh chiualo in ilhuicac.  Yn totlaxcal in momoztlae totechmonequi ma axcan
xitechmomaquili.  Ma xitechmopopolhuili in totlatlacol in iuh
tiquimpopolhuia in techtlatlacalhuia.  Macamo xitechmotlalcauili inic amo
ypan tiuetzizque in teneyeyecoltiliztli.  Ma xitechmomaquixtili in iuicpa
in amoqualli.  Mayuh muchiua.


John Frederick Schwaller                             schwallr at selway.umt.edu
Associate Provost                                        406-243-4722
The University of Montana                           FAX 406-243-5937
                          http://www.umt.edu/history/NAHUATL/


From FERNANMK at diba.es  Thu May 13 06:53:20 1999
From: FERNANMK at diba.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez_Georges=2C_Mikel?=)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:53:20 -0600
Subject: RV: AYUDARSE EN EL ESTUDIO
Message-ID: <THU.13.MAY.1999.005320.0600.>

=A1Buenos d=EDas!

Estoy interesado en aprender nahuatl moderno. Dispongo de varios =
m=E9todos de
aprendizaje, literatura, cassettes de m=FAsica y narraciones, un nuevo
testamento, libros con los que se ense=F1a nahuatl en las escuelas =
mexicanas,
una copia en v=EDdeo de un film =EDntegramente hablado en nahautl,  =
etc.

La mayor=EDa se refiere al dialecto de la Huasteca (el que tiene m=E1s
hablantes) , pero tambi=E9n  del de Zongolica, Distrito Federal (Milpa =
alta) i
Cl=E1sico.=20

Vivo en Barcelona, Europa, y no tengo m=E1s remedio que intentar el =
auto
aprendizaje, pero soy consciente de la dificultad de estudiar solo.=20

Por ello estar=EDa muy interesado en contactar con m=E1s gente =
interesada en
estudiar,  intercambiar material, resolver dudas  y/o ayudarnos unos a =
otros
para facilitar las dificultades de estudiar en casa. Cuanto m=E1s cerca =
de
Barcelona mejor.=20

Yo me expreso mejor en castellano que en Ingl=E9s.=20

Mi e-mail particular es:

   fernanmk at diba.es <mailto:fernanmk at diba.es>=20


From domingue at abacom.com  Thu May 13 18:35:12 1999
From: domingue at abacom.com (Jose A. Dominguez)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:35:12 -0600
Subject: AYUDARSE EN EL ESTUDIO
Message-ID: <THU.13.MAY.1999.123512.0600.>

Buenos dias Sr. Fernandez,

Yo soy un mexicano que quiere aprender Nahuatl tambien, pero dispongo de muy
pocos libros o cassettes.

?Podria Ud. darme los titulos y los nombres de los libros utilizados en las
escuelas en M?xico, asi como en donde los compro Ud.?

Le estare muy agradecido por este servicio.

Gracias y buen dia.

Jos? A. Dominguez     domingue at abacom.com


From schwallr at selway.umt.edu  Thu May 13 18:51:55 1999
From: schwallr at selway.umt.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:51:55 -0600
Subject: Recursos para el estudio del Nahuat-l
Message-ID: <THU.13.MAY.1999.125155.0600.>

Hay dos fuentes de gran importancia que les pueden ayudar en buscar
recursos para el estudio del Nahuatl.  El primero en la pagina web de esta
misma lista,
http://www.umt.edu/history/nahuatl/

Alla se hace el "click" en "Books on Nahuatl", que se lleva al siguiente:
http://www.umt.edu/history/nahuatl/hotlinks.htm

Ques es una descripcion del libro de Campbell y Karttunen que es casi el
unico ya disponible aqui en los EEUU.  En aquella pagina se puede hacer el
"click" en "More Books on Nahuatl" que se lleva a la pagina de Ricardo
Salvador , Soc.Culture.Mexico:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~rjsalvad/scmfaq/nahuatl.html

Con estos se sabe todo lo que podemos compartir.

J. F. Schwaller


John Frederick Schwaller                             schwallr at selway.umt.edu
Associate Provost                                        406-243-4722
The University of Montana                           FAX 406-243-5937
                          http://www.umt.edu/history/NAHUATL/


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From mdmorris at indiana.edu  Sun May 23 01:39:29 1999
From: mdmorris at indiana.edu (Mark Morris)
Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 19:39:29 -0600
Subject: IJHL Advertisement
Message-ID: <SAT.22.MAY.1999.193929.0600.>

The fall 1998 issue of the Indiana Journal of Hispanic Literatures
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From: mdmorris at indiana.edu (Mark Morris)
Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:20:25 -0600
Subject: R: IJHL Advertisement
Message-ID: <SUN.23.MAY.1999.092025.0600.>

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From campbel at indiana.edu  Mon May 31 19:39:55 1999
From: campbel at indiana.edu (R. Joe Campbell)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:39:55 -0600
Subject: Hospital infantil
Message-ID: <MON.31.MAY.1999.133955.0600.>

Jorge,
   Para representar "California", se me ocurren tres posibilidades:
 1) California (tomar prestado el nombre sin cambios);
 2) Calipolnia (tomarlo prestado, cambiandolo segun el sistema fonologico
    del Nahuatl;
 3) Totoncatexcalcan (traducir los elementos del nombre original):
    Cal(i) - forn (ia)
    caliente- horno-[lugar]
    totonca- texcal(li)-can

   Para "Hospital Infantil", yo habia pensado "cocoxcaconecalli":
   cocoxca  -  cone(tl)  -  calli
   enfermo  -  nin~o     -  casa

Pero me gusto' mas la traduccion de Mark:  conetepahtiloyan, que tiene dos
aspectos a su favor -- 1) es muy comun la formacion de los nombres de
lugar de actividad directamente del verbo y 2) de mas importancia,
"conetepahtiloyan" expresa algo de carin~o, porque alli es donde se curan.
Aunque "cocoxcaconecalli" es una palabra legitima, podri'a ser que alli se
almacenen los enfermitos!

Saludos,

Joe


>=20
> =BFC=F3mo dir=EDan en n=E1huatl Hospital Infantil de las
> Californias? (Se trata de una instituci=F3n de asistencia
> gratuita.) Voy a regalarles un dibujo y quisiera poner ese
> nombre en el marco.


From mdmorris at indiana.edu  Mon May 31 17:07:27 1999
From: mdmorris at indiana.edu (Mark Morris)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:07:27 -0600
Subject: Hospital infantil
Message-ID: <MON.31.MAY.1999.110727.0600.>

Jorge,

Creo las surgencias a pie serian aceptables y sino vamos a conocer en poco.
Saludos,  Mark Morris


Conepahticalli in California

Conetepahtiloyan in California


From bardahl at infosel.net.mx  Mon May 31 06:21:55 1999
From: bardahl at infosel.net.mx (Jorge de Buen)
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:21:55 -0600
Subject: Hospital infantil
Message-ID: <MON.31.MAY.1999.002155.0600.>

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Estimados amigos:

?C?mo dir?an en n?huatl Hospital Infantil de las
Californias? (Se trata de una instituci?n de asistencia
gratuita.) Voy a regalarles un dibujo y quisiera poner ese
nombre en el marco.

Gracias.

Jorge de Buen U.
bardahl at infosel.net.mx
Tijuana, M?xico


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de las Californias</i>? (Se trata de una instituci&oacute;n de asistencia
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<p>Jorge de Buen U.
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