From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu Mon Apr 15 15:08:50 2002 From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:08:50 -0500 Subject: Orthography in MS Word Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: Orthography and Word From: "John Sullivan, Ph.D." I am in the process of making decisions about an orthographical system to use for writing modern náhuatl. I would like to use a macron to show long vowels, but Microsoft Word is not very friendly on this account. Does anybody know of a special font or a command in Word which allows one to put a macron over a vowel? John Sullivan Instituto de Docencia e Investigación Etnológica de Zacatecas, A.C. Av. Guerrero 227, int.12 Centro Histórico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 México tel (492) 922-1709 fax (492) 922-0848 idiez at mac.com From Ian.Robertson at asu.edu Mon Apr 15 15:30:34 2002 From: Ian.Robertson at asu.edu (Ian Robertson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:30:34 -0700 Subject: Orthography in MS Word In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020415100844.03b2c5d0@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi John, I just use the simultaneous key combination control-shift-: followed by whatever vowel I want. This should already be set-up in Word--or at least it was in my latest installation (years ago I think I had to do some key-mapping to get this to work...) Best, Ian -------------------- Ian Robertson Dept. of Anthropology Arizona State University Tempe, AZ, 85287-2402 Ian.Robertson at asu.edu -----Original Message----- From: owner-nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu [mailto:owner-nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu]On Behalf Of John F. Schwaller Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:09 AM To: nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu Subject: Orthography in MS Word Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: Orthography and Word From: "John Sullivan, Ph.D." I am in the process of making decisions about an orthographical system to use for writing modern náhuatl. I would like to use a macron to show long vowels, but Microsoft Word is not very friendly on this account. Does anybody know of a special font or a command in Word which allows one to put a macron over a vowel? John Sullivan Instituto de Docencia e Investigación Etnológica de Zacatecas, A.C. Av. Guerrero 227, int.12 Centro Histórico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 México tel (492) 922-1709 fax (492) 922-0848 idiez at mac.com From dcwright at prodigy.net.mx Mon Apr 15 15:44:52 2002 From: dcwright at prodigy.net.mx (David Wright) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:44:52 -0500 Subject: Macrons etc. Message-ID: Dear John: When I need macrons or International Phonetic Alphabet characters in general I use SIL's encore fonts, available free in three different character sets. You can view and/or download them at http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/encore-ipa.html The only drawback is that the latter fonts don't have upper-case alphabetic characters. SIL offers a more complete version, with upper-case, but they charge you for the license: http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/encore.html They have other options that can be explored at http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/ Getting a bit off the subject, I've downloaded and played around with the Linguist's Shoebox, available on this last page for free; it's a user friendly database application that lets you enter linguistic data and then generate dictionaries and between-the-lines morphemic translations. I'm thinking about trying it out for colonial period Otomi but haven't found the time. Saludos, David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfrye at umich.edu Mon Apr 15 15:54:08 2002 From: dfrye at umich.edu (David L. Frye) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:54:08 -0400 Subject: Orthography in MS Word In-Reply-To: <000701c1e492$7d3d1dc0$372fdb81@la.asu.edu> Message-ID: By "macron" do you mean a solid line above the letter? Typing ctrl-shift-: followed by a vowel will give you the vowel with two dots above it (a diaresis, I think it is called). There is no automatic key combo for a macron, but you can easily set it up. Go to "Insert" then "Symbol", make sure the "Font" says "normal text," then look for the letter you want to insert. Click on it. If you will be doing this often, you can set up a "Shortcut Key." (Click on the button near the bottom of the Insert Symbol window.) The natural combo for a macron would be ctrl-(hyphen)-A, etc. You will have to set up each vowel separately. From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu Mon Apr 15 16:20:57 2002 From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:20:57 -0500 Subject: Orthography in MS Word Message-ID: From: anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk To: "John F. Schwaller" Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:00:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Orthography in MS Word Priority: normal On 15 Apr 2002, at 10:08, John Sullivan wrote: > I am in the process of making decisions about an orthographical system to > use for writing modern náhuatl. I would like to use a macron to show long > vowels, but Microsoft Word is not very friendly on this account. Does > anybody know of a special font or a command in Word which allows one to put > a macron over a vowel? I wrote a PC Windows program TYPECASE. It at http://www.buckrogers.demon.co.uk/software/typecase.zip . Typecase lets the user choose characters from a large clear display of the full font and put them into the Windows clipboard. It works like Windows `Character Map', but the display is much larger and clearer if run full-screen or nearly so. The release includes all source files. anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk From Ian.Robertson at asu.edu Mon Apr 15 16:22:13 2002 From: Ian.Robertson at asu.edu (Ian Robertson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:22:13 -0700 Subject: Orthography in MS Word In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David, Thanks for clarifying. My work-around is probably not what John was looking for, and your solution will be helpful to me as well--at least in Word, and possibly in my nahuatl vocabulary database as well. Cheers, Ian -------------------- Ian Robertson Dept. of Anthropology Arizona State University Tempe, AZ, 85287-2402 Ian.Robertson at asu.edu -----Original Message----- From: David L. Frye [mailto:dfrye at umich.edu] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:54 AM To: Ian Robertson Cc: nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu Subject: RE: Orthography in MS Word By "macron" do you mean a solid line above the letter? Typing ctrl-shift-: followed by a vowel will give you the vowel with two dots above it (a diaresis, I think it is called). There is no automatic key combo for a macron, but you can easily set it up. Go to "Insert" then "Symbol", make sure the "Font" says "normal text," then look for the letter you want to insert. Click on it. If you will be doing this often, you can set up a "Shortcut Key." (Click on the button near the bottom of the Insert Symbol window.) The natural combo for a macron would be ctrl-(hyphen)-A, etc. You will have to set up each vowel separately. From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu Tue Apr 16 14:57:38 2002 From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:57:38 -0500 Subject: Orthography in MS Word Message-ID: From: "Chichiltic Coyotl" To: nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu Subject: Re: Orthography in MS Word Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:34:52 +0800 Hi John If you do an internet search you will find some 10 fonts that are readily available and free for use that incorporate the macron for both small case and capital case letters. These are easy to use as the macronised letters have been mapped to the keyboard characters: alt + vowel for small letters and alt + shift + vowel for capital vowels. One problem though - hitting the alt key activates the menu bar of word, excel and access. For word it is very easy to disable the menu bar being accessed when the alt key is pressed. Tools/Customise/Options/Keyboard/Common Symbols (Categories Box). Choose the macronised characters and key in the new keyboard equivalents. It works a bit like macros. For other programs such as excel and access I have not been able to find an easy fix so far. EZR John F. Schwaller Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean 315 Behmler Hall University of Minnesota, Morris 600 E 4th Street Morris, MN 56267 320-589-6015 FAX 320-589-6399 schwallr at mrs.umn.edu From jsullivan3 at mac.com Wed Apr 24 02:43:02 2002 From: jsullivan3 at mac.com (John Sullivan, Ph.D.) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:43:02 -0500 Subject: IDIEZ website Message-ID: The Zacatecas Institute for Teaching and Research in Ethnologyy / Instituto >de Docencia e Investigación Etnológica de Zacatecas, A.C. (IDIEZ) is a >recently formed non-profit regional center for the development of Mexican >indigenous culture and social welfare. We offer social services to the >indigenous population in the state of Zacatecas, scholarships to indigenous >students, classes in modern and classical Nahuatl (adding more languages in >the future), and shortly we will begin construction of our digital archive >and library where the public may access colonial manuscripts, modern >original texts, audio recordings and video material in indigenous languages. >Visit our new website (www.idiez.org.mx) and give us your feedback and >suggestions for the program. This service is for you: let us know how we may >facilitate your teaching and research in regards to Mexican indigenous >languages and cultures. > John Sullivan, Ph.D. > Instituto de Docencia e Investigación Etnológica de Zacatecas, A.C. > Avenida Guerrero 227, int. 12 > Centro Histórico > Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 > tel (492) 922-1709 > fax (492) 922-9848 > idiez at mac.com > www.idiez.org.mx From jsullivan3 at mac.com Mon Apr 29 14:01:36 2002 From: jsullivan3 at mac.com (John Sullivan, Ph.D.) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:01:36 -0500 Subject: Xiccuepili Message-ID: The other day my native speaking assistant used the following phrase to mean, "Come back!: "Xiccuepili". I immediately had him run it through a few derivations: "xiccuepilican", "Come back (you all)!" "quicuepilia", "He or she comes back." "quicuepilihqueh", "They came back". OK, now what's going on here. Is this kind of like saying in English, "Move it!", or "Hurry it up!"? Could this type of construction be the origin of the Mexican Spanish, "Córrele, córrale, córranle"? John Sullivan From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu Mon Apr 15 15:08:50 2002 From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:08:50 -0500 Subject: Orthography in MS Word Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: Orthography and Word From: "John Sullivan, Ph.D." I am in the process of making decisions about an orthographical system to use for writing modern n?huatl. I would like to use a macron to show long vowels, but Microsoft Word is not very friendly on this account. Does anybody know of a special font or a command in Word which allows one to put a macron over a vowel? John Sullivan Instituto de Docencia e Investigaci?n Etnol?gica de Zacatecas, A.C. Av. Guerrero 227, int.12 Centro Hist?rico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 M?xico tel (492) 922-1709 fax (492) 922-0848 idiez at mac.com From Ian.Robertson at asu.edu Mon Apr 15 15:30:34 2002 From: Ian.Robertson at asu.edu (Ian Robertson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:30:34 -0700 Subject: Orthography in MS Word In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020415100844.03b2c5d0@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Message-ID: Hi John, I just use the simultaneous key combination control-shift-: followed by whatever vowel I want. This should already be set-up in Word--or at least it was in my latest installation (years ago I think I had to do some key-mapping to get this to work...) Best, Ian -------------------- Ian Robertson Dept. of Anthropology Arizona State University Tempe, AZ, 85287-2402 Ian.Robertson at asu.edu -----Original Message----- From: owner-nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu [mailto:owner-nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu]On Behalf Of John F. Schwaller Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:09 AM To: nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu Subject: Orthography in MS Word Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: Orthography and Word From: "John Sullivan, Ph.D." I am in the process of making decisions about an orthographical system to use for writing modern n?huatl. I would like to use a macron to show long vowels, but Microsoft Word is not very friendly on this account. Does anybody know of a special font or a command in Word which allows one to put a macron over a vowel? John Sullivan Instituto de Docencia e Investigaci?n Etnol?gica de Zacatecas, A.C. Av. Guerrero 227, int.12 Centro Hist?rico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 M?xico tel (492) 922-1709 fax (492) 922-0848 idiez at mac.com From dcwright at prodigy.net.mx Mon Apr 15 15:44:52 2002 From: dcwright at prodigy.net.mx (David Wright) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:44:52 -0500 Subject: Macrons etc. Message-ID: Dear John: When I need macrons or International Phonetic Alphabet characters in general I use SIL's encore fonts, available free in three different character sets. You can view and/or download them at http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/encore-ipa.html The only drawback is that the latter fonts don't have upper-case alphabetic characters. SIL offers a more complete version, with upper-case, but they charge you for the license: http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/encore.html They have other options that can be explored at http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/ Getting a bit off the subject, I've downloaded and played around with the Linguist's Shoebox, available on this last page for free; it's a user friendly database application that lets you enter linguistic data and then generate dictionaries and between-the-lines morphemic translations. I'm thinking about trying it out for colonial period Otomi but haven't found the time. Saludos, David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfrye at umich.edu Mon Apr 15 15:54:08 2002 From: dfrye at umich.edu (David L. Frye) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:54:08 -0400 Subject: Orthography in MS Word In-Reply-To: <000701c1e492$7d3d1dc0$372fdb81@la.asu.edu> Message-ID: By "macron" do you mean a solid line above the letter? Typing ctrl-shift-: followed by a vowel will give you the vowel with two dots above it (a diaresis, I think it is called). There is no automatic key combo for a macron, but you can easily set it up. Go to "Insert" then "Symbol", make sure the "Font" says "normal text," then look for the letter you want to insert. Click on it. If you will be doing this often, you can set up a "Shortcut Key." (Click on the button near the bottom of the Insert Symbol window.) The natural combo for a macron would be ctrl-(hyphen)-A, etc. You will have to set up each vowel separately. From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu Mon Apr 15 16:20:57 2002 From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:20:57 -0500 Subject: Orthography in MS Word Message-ID: From: anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk To: "John F. Schwaller" Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:00:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Orthography in MS Word Priority: normal On 15 Apr 2002, at 10:08, John Sullivan wrote: > I am in the process of making decisions about an orthographical system to > use for writing modern n?huatl. I would like to use a macron to show long > vowels, but Microsoft Word is not very friendly on this account. Does > anybody know of a special font or a command in Word which allows one to put > a macron over a vowel? I wrote a PC Windows program TYPECASE. It at http://www.buckrogers.demon.co.uk/software/typecase.zip . Typecase lets the user choose characters from a large clear display of the full font and put them into the Windows clipboard. It works like Windows `Character Map', but the display is much larger and clearer if run full-screen or nearly so. The release includes all source files. anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk From Ian.Robertson at asu.edu Mon Apr 15 16:22:13 2002 From: Ian.Robertson at asu.edu (Ian Robertson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:22:13 -0700 Subject: Orthography in MS Word In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David, Thanks for clarifying. My work-around is probably not what John was looking for, and your solution will be helpful to me as well--at least in Word, and possibly in my nahuatl vocabulary database as well. Cheers, Ian -------------------- Ian Robertson Dept. of Anthropology Arizona State University Tempe, AZ, 85287-2402 Ian.Robertson at asu.edu -----Original Message----- From: David L. Frye [mailto:dfrye at umich.edu] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:54 AM To: Ian Robertson Cc: nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu Subject: RE: Orthography in MS Word By "macron" do you mean a solid line above the letter? Typing ctrl-shift-: followed by a vowel will give you the vowel with two dots above it (a diaresis, I think it is called). There is no automatic key combo for a macron, but you can easily set it up. Go to "Insert" then "Symbol", make sure the "Font" says "normal text," then look for the letter you want to insert. Click on it. If you will be doing this often, you can set up a "Shortcut Key." (Click on the button near the bottom of the Insert Symbol window.) The natural combo for a macron would be ctrl-(hyphen)-A, etc. You will have to set up each vowel separately. From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu Tue Apr 16 14:57:38 2002 From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:57:38 -0500 Subject: Orthography in MS Word Message-ID: From: "Chichiltic Coyotl" To: nahuat-l at mrs.umn.edu Subject: Re: Orthography in MS Word Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:34:52 +0800 Hi John If you do an internet search you will find some 10 fonts that are readily available and free for use that incorporate the macron for both small case and capital case letters. These are easy to use as the macronised letters have been mapped to the keyboard characters: alt + vowel for small letters and alt + shift + vowel for capital vowels. One problem though - hitting the alt key activates the menu bar of word, excel and access. For word it is very easy to disable the menu bar being accessed when the alt key is pressed. Tools/Customise/Options/Keyboard/Common Symbols (Categories Box). Choose the macronised characters and key in the new keyboard equivalents. It works a bit like macros. For other programs such as excel and access I have not been able to find an easy fix so far. EZR John F. Schwaller Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean 315 Behmler Hall University of Minnesota, Morris 600 E 4th Street Morris, MN 56267 320-589-6015 FAX 320-589-6399 schwallr at mrs.umn.edu From jsullivan3 at mac.com Wed Apr 24 02:43:02 2002 From: jsullivan3 at mac.com (John Sullivan, Ph.D.) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:43:02 -0500 Subject: IDIEZ website Message-ID: The Zacatecas Institute for Teaching and Research in Ethnologyy / Instituto >de Docencia e Investigaci?n Etnol?gica de Zacatecas, A.C. (IDIEZ) is a >recently formed non-profit regional center for the development of Mexican >indigenous culture and social welfare. We offer social services to the >indigenous population in the state of Zacatecas, scholarships to indigenous >students, classes in modern and classical Nahuatl (adding more languages in >the future), and shortly we will begin construction of our digital archive >and library where the public may access colonial manuscripts, modern >original texts, audio recordings and video material in indigenous languages. >Visit our new website (www.idiez.org.mx) and give us your feedback and >suggestions for the program. This service is for you: let us know how we may >facilitate your teaching and research in regards to Mexican indigenous >languages and cultures. > John Sullivan, Ph.D. > Instituto de Docencia e Investigaci?n Etnol?gica de Zacatecas, A.C. > Avenida Guerrero 227, int. 12 > Centro Hist?rico > Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 > tel (492) 922-1709 > fax (492) 922-9848 > idiez at mac.com > www.idiez.org.mx From jsullivan3 at mac.com Mon Apr 29 14:01:36 2002 From: jsullivan3 at mac.com (John Sullivan, Ph.D.) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:01:36 -0500 Subject: Xiccuepili Message-ID: The other day my native speaking assistant used the following phrase to mean, "Come back!: "Xiccuepili". I immediately had him run it through a few derivations: "xiccuepilican", "Come back (you all)!" "quicuepilia", "He or she comes back." "quicuepilihqueh", "They came back". OK, now what's going on here. Is this kind of like saying in English, "Move it!", or "Hurry it up!"? Could this type of construction be the origin of the Mexican Spanish, "C?rrele, c?rrale, c?rranle"? John Sullivan