From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Tue Oct  1 17:54:12 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:54:12 -0500
Subject: XVI INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON LATIN AMERICAN INDIAN LITERATURES
Message-ID: <TUE.1.OCT.2002.125412.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

From: Galen Brokaw <brokaw at buffalo.edu>
Date: October 1, 2002

XVI INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON
LATIN AMERICAN INDIAN LITERATURES

Buenos Aires, Argentina
July 9-12, 2003

Keynote Address: Frank Salomon

Sponsored by:

LAILA/ALILA
(Latin American Indian Literatures Association/Asociación de Literaturas

Indígenas Latinoamericanas)
Centro Argentino de Etnología Americana - Consejo Nacional de
Investigaciones Científicas y Técnicas
Area Transdepartamental de Folklore - Instituto Universitario Nacional
del Arte

The coordinating committee of the XVI International Symposium of Latin
American Indian Literatures calls for proposals for panels and
individual presenters that will be accepted until October 30, 2002. All
papers can be considered for publication. Send proposals (of 150 words
in English, Spanish or Portuguese) by traditional or electronic mail (MS

Word format) or fax, to one of the following individuals:

Anatilde Idoyaga Molina
Coordinadora L.A./Europa:
XVI Simposio Internacional 2002 LAILA/ALILA
Centro Argentino de Etnología Americana
Avenida de Mayo 1437 1 "A" (1085)
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Tel/Fax: (54-11) 381-1821
caea at sinectis.com.ar

James Barnhart-Park
U.S. Coordinator:
2003 XVI Internacional Symposium LAILA/ALILA
Department of Languages, Literatures and Cultures
Muhlenberg College
2400 Chew Street
Allentown, PA 18104
Tel: (484) 664-3349
Fax: (484) 664-3536
jbarnhart at muhlenberg.edu

Presentations must not exceed 20 minutes. All topics must relate to
indigenous literatures. Some suggested topics include: orality, memory,
myth, rituals, history, narrative and identity, chronicles and codices
as narrative, indigenista literature, cosmology, natural and spiritual
medicinal practices, African-Indigeneous traditions, mysticism,
religious syncretism, archaeology, and the arts. Acceptance letters will

be sent out starting December 15. On separate sheet include name,
institutional affiliation and position, traditional and e-mail
addresses, telephone and fax numbers. A personal check (drawn on a U.S.
bank) or Travelers Checks (Visa/American Express) for the individual
Registration fee ($80 U.S./Europe; $60 Latin America/other  - $15 for
students and non-presenters), and another for the annual Association
dues ($80 U.S./Europe; $35 Latin America/other - $10 for students and
non-presenters) payable to LAILA/ALILA, must accompany your proposal.
Information on lodging and transportation will accompany letter of
notification.
------------------------------------------------------


From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Tue Oct  1 20:10:18 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:10:18 -0500
Subject: Nahuatl manuscripts
Message-ID: <TUE.1.OCT.2002.151018.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

At long last, I am pleased to announce the publication of my Guide to
Nahuatl Manuscripts in U. S. Repositories.  It is published by the Academy
of American Franciscan History.  It lists over 200 Nahuatl language
manuscripts held here in the United States.  These are written in European
characters, not pictorial manuscripts.

If you are interested in getting a copy you can send a check for $25.00
plus shipping and handling to
Academy of American Franciscan History
1712 Euclid Ave.
Berkeley, CA  94709

You can e-mail the Academy for shipping costs, etc. at:
acadafh at aol.com



John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From indus56 at telusplanet.net  Sat Oct  5 16:38:11 2002
From: indus56 at telusplanet.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:38:11 -0600
Subject: QU: Nahuatl words -- accented in English?
Message-ID: <SAT.5.OCT.2002.103811.0600.INDUS56@TELUSPLANET.NET>

Dear fellow listmembers,
I am currently having a discussion with the copy editor of my novel,
set, in part, in Mexico. The question is whether to accent names and
place names deriving from Nahuatl. I believe the accents are Spanish in
origin and serve to reproduce the stresses such words would normally
given by Nahuatl speakers. This could be an argument for not using them,
since they are not intrinsic but rather are foreign accretions. One
counter argument would be that the entire system of writing these words
in a Latin alphabet is an accretion.

Perhaps the stronger argument against using them in English is that they
do not guide English speakers, unless these speakers are familiar also
with the stress patterns of unaccented Spanish words.

It strikes me that one might choose to keep the accents on place names,
since they will be presented that way on modern maps and so forth. But
that for Quetzalcoatl, just for example, as with the word Nahuatl
itself, there is little justification for preserving the Spanish
accentuation.

Could anyone bring a little clarity to our muddle?
gratefully,
Paul Anderson

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From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Mon Oct  7 14:23:23 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:23:23 -0500
Subject: QU: Nahuatl words -- accented in English?
In-Reply-To: <3D9F1573.CE1970EE@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <MON.7.OCT.2002.092323.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

At 10:38 AM 10/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Perhaps the stronger argument against using them in English is that they
>do not guide English speakers, unless these speakers are familiar also
>with the stress patterns of unaccented Spanish words.


I have in general avoided placing accents on Nahuatl words when writing in
English.  The system is, of course, based on the Spanish perception of
Nahuatl accentuation.  Unless one knows Spanish the accents do not
necessarily mean anything, nor does the absence of an accent mean anything.

J. F. Schwaller


John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Mon Oct  7 15:06:31 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:06:31 -0500
Subject: QU: Nahuatl words -- accented in English?
In-Reply-To: <3DA1A1AC.DDE767B6@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <MON.7.OCT.2002.100631.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

At 09:01 AM 10/7/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Might I ask if the accentuation
>policy applies also to place names in current use in Mexico? I am thinking of
>Teotihuacan, Chimalhuacan (a better example, perhaps), Popocatepetl, and the
>like.


What is strange is that modern accentuation of place names is frequently
different from appropriate Nahuatl accentuation.  For example Teotihuacan
should be TeotiHUAcan, but is written today as Teotihuacán.  Similarly
ChimalHUAcan but written today as Chimalhuacán



John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From cbossen at mindspring.com  Mon Oct  7 15:31:39 2002
From: cbossen at mindspring.com (Colin Bossen)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:31:39 -0500
Subject: Nahuatl in Chicago?
Message-ID: <MON.7.OCT.2002.103139.0500.CBOSSEN@MINDSPRING.COM>

Hello:

I am new to this list. I am trying to learn Nahuatl. I am poet
interested in doing translation work from Nahuatl to English and I live
in Chicago. Does anyone on this list live in the Chicago area? If so, do
any of you know of anyone who might be interested in tutoring me? I was
hoping to take a class at the University of Chicago but I can't afford
the tuition and they don't seem to be offering anything this semester.

I hope this was not an inappropriate post.

Sincerely,

Colin Bossen
773.454.2130


From anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk  Mon Oct  7 18:30:45 2002
From: anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk (anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:30:45 +0100
Subject: QU: Nahuatl words -- accented in English?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021007100409.02a9a500@cda.mrs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.7.OCT.2002.193045.0100.>

On 7 Oct 2002, at 10:06, John F. Schwaller wrote:
> What is strange is that modern accentuation of place names is frequently
> different from appropriate Nahuatl accentuation.  For example Teotihuacan
> should be TeotiHUAcan, but is written today as Teotihuacán.  Similarly
> ChimalHUAcan but written today as Chimalhuacán

If the last vowel was long in Nahuatl: [...-wa'ka:n], that long vowel
might have attracted the accent as local pronunciation became
influenced by Spanish.

Citlalyani


From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Wed Oct  9 16:38:36 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:38:36 -0500
Subject: Aztec Stories in Chicago
Message-ID: <WED.9.OCT.2002.113836.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

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From notoca at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 17 00:51:21 2002
From: notoca at hotmail.com (Chichiltic Coyotl)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:51:21 +0800
Subject: Idiomatic Expressions
Message-ID: <THU.17.OCT.2002.085121.0800.NOTOCA@HOTMAIL.COM>

Hi

Is there a readily available list of nahuatl idiomatic and "slang"
expressions? I'm coming across various expressions that do not make sense
literally and the context in which they appear does not always give any
hints as to their meanings. Sometimes I can find the expression in a grammar
book or a dictionary but more often than not, I can't find any reference to
them.

Thanks

CC






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From dcwright at prodigy.net.mx  Sat Oct 19 00:37:03 2002
From: dcwright at prodigy.net.mx (David Wright)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:37:03 -0500
Subject: Carochi
Message-ID: <FRI.18.OCT.2002.193703.0500.DCWRIGHT@PRODIGY.NET.MX>

Estimados listeros:

Does anybody have a sample of Horacio Carochi's signature (especially a rubrica) and/or handwriting that could me sent to me as a digital file, or snailed to me on paper? I think I may have come across some little-studied linguistic material with possible notes by Carochi, and I'd like to see if comparison with other mss. bears this out.

Muchas gracias de antemano,

David Wright

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From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Mon Oct 21 16:43:37 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:43:37 -0500
Subject: Carochi
In-Reply-To: <000801c27707$a73f11c0$21c841c8@dcwright>
Message-ID: <MON.21.OCT.2002.114337.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

At 07:37 PM 10/18/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anybody have a sample of Horacio Carochi's signature (especially a
>rubrica) and/or handwriting that could me sent to me as a digital file, or
>snailed to me on paper?


There are marginal notes on several items in the Bancroft, the
Huehuetlahtolli and the plays translated by Bartolome de Alva that might
have Carochi holograph on them, but as to a signature, I'm not sure.



John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Fri Oct 25 16:05:42 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:05:42 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Me: New on FAMSI  website
Message-ID: <FRI.25.OCT.2002.110542.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

>Mesoamericanists,
>
>New grantee research reports:
>
>"Cultural and Pedagogical Lexicography of Modern Nahuatl" (2001)
>by Jonathan D. Amith.
>http://www.famsi.org/reports/00060/index.html





John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From campbel at indiana.edu  Sat Oct 26 04:29:33 2002
From: campbel at indiana.edu (r. joe campbell)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:29:33 -0500
Subject: Idiomatic Expressions
In-Reply-To: <F6389QtpfTYSl1q4gto00002bac@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.25.OCT.2002.232933.0500.CAMPBEL@INDIANA.EDU>

Chichiltic Coyotzin,

   Since Nahuatl has the strategy of working with a relatively small set
of morphemes and combining them to satisfy the need for a considerably
larger set of words, it would seem that it is committed to "stretching"
the boundaries of the meanings of individual morphemes and their
combinations, so the kind of thing that you're talking about should be
frequent, not just a now-and-then occurrence.  Some of the opacity for us
is due to the fact that we face a different physical world, but, more
importantly, the fact that we organize it differently mentally and
linguistically.

   One of my favorite phrasal examples is "tlahtolli itlacual", 'he is
ill-tempered'.

   But with varying degrees of opacity, the combination of morphemes
within words causes problems for us outside-the-language-community
"participants".  "tepoztetlapa:nalo:ni", 'stone breaking hammer' was
undoubtedly transparent for a member of the language community because he
(I use the generic 'he' for 'he/she' or '(s)he') was familiar with the
following words:

  quitlapa:na     he breaks it
  tetlapa:na      he breaks stones
  tetlapa:nalo    people break stones
  tetlapa:nani    one who breaks stones
  tetlapa:nalo:ni instrument for breaking stones

Therefore, he would know that "tepoztetlapa:nalo:ni" is an instrument for
breaking stones made out of metal.  But *if* he didn't learn it or
perceive it analytically, he could learn it lexically -- what is that?
(seeing his neighbor breaking stones with a tool he had never seen before)
-- his older brother would reply: "It's a tepoztetlapa:nalo:ni,
xolopihtli".

   So the insiders didn't have to understand words and phrases
analytically -- however much we outsiders rely on the addition of meanings
of component morphemes.  I have frequently said "this word *must* make
additive sense -- I just don't know what the bridge is".

   I put a list of simple words below, but I would be interested in some
examples of the sort of phrases that you're talking about.

Joe

p.s. As I said, there is a range of opacity....


       acamahpilli             rod

       ahcolchimalli           shoulder bone

       calcuaitl               roof of a house

       calnacaztli             corner of a house

       cihuatlacamichin        sea siren, mermaid

       coahuitzmecatl          brambleberry

       cuacuahuitl             animal's horn

       cuametlapil             man with a large head

       icpatetl                ball of thread

       iztaxalli               grain of salt

       mahpilli                finger

       micomitl                quiver for arrows

       nacazcuitlatl           ear wax

       nextlexochtli           embers

       omixochitl              lily

       petlacalmecahuehuetl    spinet, stringed instrument with keys

       tepoztlalli             iron filings

       tlacamazatl             bestial man

       tlacatecolocihuatl      diabolical woman

       tlanomitl               ivory

       tlemoyonextli           dead spark

       tliltetl                paragraph mark, or a diacritic

       xicohcuitlaocotl        wax candle

       xocoicxitl              stem of a piece of fruit

       xocomecayacatzontli     tendril of a vineshoot

       xopilli                 toe

       yacacuitlatl            mucous

       yacatolli               mucous






On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Chichiltic Coyotl wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is there a readily available list of nahuatl idiomatic and "slang"
> expressions? I'm coming across various expressions that do not make sense
> literally and the context in which they appear does not always give any
> hints as to their meanings. Sometimes I can find the expression in a grammar
> book or a dictionary but more often than not, I can't find any reference to
> them.
>
> Thanks
>
> CC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Tue Oct  1 17:54:12 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:54:12 -0500
Subject: XVI INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON LATIN AMERICAN INDIAN LITERATURES
Message-ID: <TUE.1.OCT.2002.125412.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

From: Galen Brokaw <brokaw at buffalo.edu>
Date: October 1, 2002

XVI INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON
LATIN AMERICAN INDIAN LITERATURES

Buenos Aires, Argentina
July 9-12, 2003

Keynote Address: Frank Salomon

Sponsored by:

LAILA/ALILA
(Latin American Indian Literatures Association/Asociaci?n de Literaturas

Ind?genas Latinoamericanas)
Centro Argentino de Etnolog?a Americana - Consejo Nacional de
Investigaciones Cient?ficas y T?cnicas
Area Transdepartamental de Folklore - Instituto Universitario Nacional
del Arte

The coordinating committee of the XVI International Symposium of Latin
American Indian Literatures calls for proposals for panels and
individual presenters that will be accepted until October 30, 2002. All
papers can be considered for publication. Send proposals (of 150 words
in English, Spanish or Portuguese) by traditional or electronic mail (MS

Word format) or fax, to one of the following individuals:

Anatilde Idoyaga Molina
Coordinadora L.A./Europa:
XVI Simposio Internacional 2002 LAILA/ALILA
Centro Argentino de Etnolog?a Americana
Avenida de Mayo 1437 1 "A" (1085)
Buenos Aires
Argentina
Tel/Fax: (54-11) 381-1821
caea at sinectis.com.ar

James Barnhart-Park
U.S. Coordinator:
2003 XVI Internacional Symposium LAILA/ALILA
Department of Languages, Literatures and Cultures
Muhlenberg College
2400 Chew Street
Allentown, PA 18104
Tel: (484) 664-3349
Fax: (484) 664-3536
jbarnhart at muhlenberg.edu

Presentations must not exceed 20 minutes. All topics must relate to
indigenous literatures. Some suggested topics include: orality, memory,
myth, rituals, history, narrative and identity, chronicles and codices
as narrative, indigenista literature, cosmology, natural and spiritual
medicinal practices, African-Indigeneous traditions, mysticism,
religious syncretism, archaeology, and the arts. Acceptance letters will

be sent out starting December 15. On separate sheet include name,
institutional affiliation and position, traditional and e-mail
addresses, telephone and fax numbers. A personal check (drawn on a U.S.
bank) or Travelers Checks (Visa/American Express) for the individual
Registration fee ($80 U.S./Europe; $60 Latin America/other  - $15 for
students and non-presenters), and another for the annual Association
dues ($80 U.S./Europe; $35 Latin America/other - $10 for students and
non-presenters) payable to LAILA/ALILA, must accompany your proposal.
Information on lodging and transportation will accompany letter of
notification.
------------------------------------------------------


From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Tue Oct  1 20:10:18 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:10:18 -0500
Subject: Nahuatl manuscripts
Message-ID: <TUE.1.OCT.2002.151018.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

At long last, I am pleased to announce the publication of my Guide to
Nahuatl Manuscripts in U. S. Repositories.  It is published by the Academy
of American Franciscan History.  It lists over 200 Nahuatl language
manuscripts held here in the United States.  These are written in European
characters, not pictorial manuscripts.

If you are interested in getting a copy you can send a check for $25.00
plus shipping and handling to
Academy of American Franciscan History
1712 Euclid Ave.
Berkeley, CA  94709

You can e-mail the Academy for shipping costs, etc. at:
acadafh at aol.com



John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From indus56 at telusplanet.net  Sat Oct  5 16:38:11 2002
From: indus56 at telusplanet.net (Paul Anderson)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:38:11 -0600
Subject: QU: Nahuatl words -- accented in English?
Message-ID: <SAT.5.OCT.2002.103811.0600.INDUS56@TELUSPLANET.NET>

Dear fellow listmembers,
I am currently having a discussion with the copy editor of my novel,
set, in part, in Mexico. The question is whether to accent names and
place names deriving from Nahuatl. I believe the accents are Spanish in
origin and serve to reproduce the stresses such words would normally
given by Nahuatl speakers. This could be an argument for not using them,
since they are not intrinsic but rather are foreign accretions. One
counter argument would be that the entire system of writing these words
in a Latin alphabet is an accretion.

Perhaps the stronger argument against using them in English is that they
do not guide English speakers, unless these speakers are familiar also
with the stress patterns of unaccented Spanish words.

It strikes me that one might choose to keep the accents on place names,
since they will be presented that way on modern maps and so forth. But
that for Quetzalcoatl, just for example, as with the word Nahuatl
itself, there is little justification for preserving the Spanish
accentuation.

Could anyone bring a little clarity to our muddle?
gratefully,
Paul Anderson

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From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Mon Oct  7 14:23:23 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:23:23 -0500
Subject: QU: Nahuatl words -- accented in English?
In-Reply-To: <3D9F1573.CE1970EE@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <MON.7.OCT.2002.092323.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

At 10:38 AM 10/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Perhaps the stronger argument against using them in English is that they
>do not guide English speakers, unless these speakers are familiar also
>with the stress patterns of unaccented Spanish words.


I have in general avoided placing accents on Nahuatl words when writing in
English.  The system is, of course, based on the Spanish perception of
Nahuatl accentuation.  Unless one knows Spanish the accents do not
necessarily mean anything, nor does the absence of an accent mean anything.

J. F. Schwaller


John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Mon Oct  7 15:06:31 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:06:31 -0500
Subject: QU: Nahuatl words -- accented in English?
In-Reply-To: <3DA1A1AC.DDE767B6@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <MON.7.OCT.2002.100631.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

At 09:01 AM 10/7/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Might I ask if the accentuation
>policy applies also to place names in current use in Mexico? I am thinking of
>Teotihuacan, Chimalhuacan (a better example, perhaps), Popocatepetl, and the
>like.


What is strange is that modern accentuation of place names is frequently
different from appropriate Nahuatl accentuation.  For example Teotihuacan
should be TeotiHUAcan, but is written today as Teotihuac?n.  Similarly
ChimalHUAcan but written today as Chimalhuac?n



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University of Minnesota, Morris
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Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
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From cbossen at mindspring.com  Mon Oct  7 15:31:39 2002
From: cbossen at mindspring.com (Colin Bossen)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:31:39 -0500
Subject: Nahuatl in Chicago?
Message-ID: <MON.7.OCT.2002.103139.0500.CBOSSEN@MINDSPRING.COM>

Hello:

I am new to this list. I am trying to learn Nahuatl. I am poet
interested in doing translation work from Nahuatl to English and I live
in Chicago. Does anyone on this list live in the Chicago area? If so, do
any of you know of anyone who might be interested in tutoring me? I was
hoping to take a class at the University of Chicago but I can't afford
the tuition and they don't seem to be offering anything this semester.

I hope this was not an inappropriate post.

Sincerely,

Colin Bossen
773.454.2130


From anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk  Mon Oct  7 18:30:45 2002
From: anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk (anthony.appleyard at umist.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:30:45 +0100
Subject: QU: Nahuatl words -- accented in English?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021007100409.02a9a500@cda.mrs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.7.OCT.2002.193045.0100.>

On 7 Oct 2002, at 10:06, John F. Schwaller wrote:
> What is strange is that modern accentuation of place names is frequently
> different from appropriate Nahuatl accentuation.  For example Teotihuacan
> should be TeotiHUAcan, but is written today as Teotihuac?n.  Similarly
> ChimalHUAcan but written today as Chimalhuac?n

If the last vowel was long in Nahuatl: [...-wa'ka:n], that long vowel
might have attracted the accent as local pronunciation became
influenced by Spanish.

Citlalyani


From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Wed Oct  9 16:38:36 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:38:36 -0500
Subject: Aztec Stories in Chicago
Message-ID: <WED.9.OCT.2002.113836.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

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From notoca at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 17 00:51:21 2002
From: notoca at hotmail.com (Chichiltic Coyotl)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:51:21 +0800
Subject: Idiomatic Expressions
Message-ID: <THU.17.OCT.2002.085121.0800.NOTOCA@HOTMAIL.COM>

Hi

Is there a readily available list of nahuatl idiomatic and "slang"
expressions? I'm coming across various expressions that do not make sense
literally and the context in which they appear does not always give any
hints as to their meanings. Sometimes I can find the expression in a grammar
book or a dictionary but more often than not, I can't find any reference to
them.

Thanks

CC






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From dcwright at prodigy.net.mx  Sat Oct 19 00:37:03 2002
From: dcwright at prodigy.net.mx (David Wright)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:37:03 -0500
Subject: Carochi
Message-ID: <FRI.18.OCT.2002.193703.0500.DCWRIGHT@PRODIGY.NET.MX>

Estimados listeros:

Does anybody have a sample of Horacio Carochi's signature (especially a rubrica) and/or handwriting that could me sent to me as a digital file, or snailed to me on paper? I think I may have come across some little-studied linguistic material with possible notes by Carochi, and I'd like to see if comparison with other mss. bears this out.

Muchas gracias de antemano,

David Wright

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From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Mon Oct 21 16:43:37 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:43:37 -0500
Subject: Carochi
In-Reply-To: <000801c27707$a73f11c0$21c841c8@dcwright>
Message-ID: <MON.21.OCT.2002.114337.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

At 07:37 PM 10/18/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anybody have a sample of Horacio Carochi's signature (especially a
>rubrica) and/or handwriting that could me sent to me as a digital file, or
>snailed to me on paper?


There are marginal notes on several items in the Bancroft, the
Huehuetlahtolli and the plays translated by Bartolome de Alva that might
have Carochi holograph on them, but as to a signature, I'm not sure.



John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From schwallr at mrs.umn.edu  Fri Oct 25 16:05:42 2002
From: schwallr at mrs.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:05:42 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Me: New on FAMSI  website
Message-ID: <FRI.25.OCT.2002.110542.0500.SCHWALLR@MRS.UMN.EDU>

>Mesoamericanists,
>
>New grantee research reports:
>
>"Cultural and Pedagogical Lexicography of Modern Nahuatl" (2001)
>by Jonathan D. Amith.
>http://www.famsi.org/reports/00060/index.html





John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at mrs.umn.edu


From campbel at indiana.edu  Sat Oct 26 04:29:33 2002
From: campbel at indiana.edu (r. joe campbell)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:29:33 -0500
Subject: Idiomatic Expressions
In-Reply-To: <F6389QtpfTYSl1q4gto00002bac@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.25.OCT.2002.232933.0500.CAMPBEL@INDIANA.EDU>

Chichiltic Coyotzin,

   Since Nahuatl has the strategy of working with a relatively small set
of morphemes and combining them to satisfy the need for a considerably
larger set of words, it would seem that it is committed to "stretching"
the boundaries of the meanings of individual morphemes and their
combinations, so the kind of thing that you're talking about should be
frequent, not just a now-and-then occurrence.  Some of the opacity for us
is due to the fact that we face a different physical world, but, more
importantly, the fact that we organize it differently mentally and
linguistically.

   One of my favorite phrasal examples is "tlahtolli itlacual", 'he is
ill-tempered'.

   But with varying degrees of opacity, the combination of morphemes
within words causes problems for us outside-the-language-community
"participants".  "tepoztetlapa:nalo:ni", 'stone breaking hammer' was
undoubtedly transparent for a member of the language community because he
(I use the generic 'he' for 'he/she' or '(s)he') was familiar with the
following words:

  quitlapa:na     he breaks it
  tetlapa:na      he breaks stones
  tetlapa:nalo    people break stones
  tetlapa:nani    one who breaks stones
  tetlapa:nalo:ni instrument for breaking stones

Therefore, he would know that "tepoztetlapa:nalo:ni" is an instrument for
breaking stones made out of metal.  But *if* he didn't learn it or
perceive it analytically, he could learn it lexically -- what is that?
(seeing his neighbor breaking stones with a tool he had never seen before)
-- his older brother would reply: "It's a tepoztetlapa:nalo:ni,
xolopihtli".

   So the insiders didn't have to understand words and phrases
analytically -- however much we outsiders rely on the addition of meanings
of component morphemes.  I have frequently said "this word *must* make
additive sense -- I just don't know what the bridge is".

   I put a list of simple words below, but I would be interested in some
examples of the sort of phrases that you're talking about.

Joe

p.s. As I said, there is a range of opacity....


       acamahpilli             rod

       ahcolchimalli           shoulder bone

       calcuaitl               roof of a house

       calnacaztli             corner of a house

       cihuatlacamichin        sea siren, mermaid

       coahuitzmecatl          brambleberry

       cuacuahuitl             animal's horn

       cuametlapil             man with a large head

       icpatetl                ball of thread

       iztaxalli               grain of salt

       mahpilli                finger

       micomitl                quiver for arrows

       nacazcuitlatl           ear wax

       nextlexochtli           embers

       omixochitl              lily

       petlacalmecahuehuetl    spinet, stringed instrument with keys

       tepoztlalli             iron filings

       tlacamazatl             bestial man

       tlacatecolocihuatl      diabolical woman

       tlanomitl               ivory

       tlemoyonextli           dead spark

       tliltetl                paragraph mark, or a diacritic

       xicohcuitlaocotl        wax candle

       xocoicxitl              stem of a piece of fruit

       xocomecayacatzontli     tendril of a vineshoot

       xopilli                 toe

       yacacuitlatl            mucous

       yacatolli               mucous






On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Chichiltic Coyotl wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is there a readily available list of nahuatl idiomatic and "slang"
> expressions? I'm coming across various expressions that do not make sense
> literally and the context in which they appear does not always give any
> hints as to their meanings. Sometimes I can find the expression in a grammar
> book or a dictionary but more often than not, I can't find any reference to
> them.
>
> Thanks
>
> CC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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