From schwallr at morris.umn.edu  Tue Dec 13 21:57:17 2005
From: schwallr at morris.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:57:17 -0600
Subject: Mesantli
Message-ID: <TUE.13.DEC.2005.155717.0600.NAHUATL@LISTS.UMN.EDU>

Could anyone help us on this?


>From: "Bradley Skopyk" <bds134 at yorku.ca>
>To: John F Schwaller <schwallr at morris.umn.edu>
>Subject: mesantli
>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:19:06 -0500
>
>Dear Professor Schwaller:
>I am one of Elinor Melville's PhD. students at York University, working on a
>dissertation about agrarian/environmental change in Tlaxcala in the 16th and
>17th centuries.  Professor Melville suggested I contact you with this query.
>In certain 16th century documents I found the term mesantli (alternatively
>mehuitzantli, huizantles), but I do not know, precisely, its meaning.
>
>The context is the following, "junto a el pueblo de san simon asi mismo
>dando vuelta como p'ta {or, p'ra} el sur conlinda con las tierras del pueblo
>de san martin xaltocan y por la parte des sur hasta el norte tiene dos mil
>ciento y dies y siete mehuizantlis cordeles de largo y de ancho mil y cuatro
>cientos cordeles huizantles"
>
>I suspect it is a system of measure that counts maguey cacti on field
>borders. Both the Dicc. Breve de Mexicanismos and the _Dictionnaire de la
>langue nahuatl classique_ relate the word to cacti (huitzli = acacia
>farmesiana agave; and Metzontli = agave, respectively).
>
>Have you come across or heard of this system of measurement before? I would
>like to know how common it was, the time period of its usage, and what
>exactly might be its equivalency in more standardized measures. If you have
>any information at all, I would greatly appreciate your response.
>
>Best Regards,
>Bradley Skopyk



John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at morris.umn.edu


From rcrapo at hass.usu.edu  Fri Dec 23 19:08:19 2005
From: rcrapo at hass.usu.edu (Richley Crapo)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:08:19 -0700
Subject: Mesantli
Message-ID: <FRI.23.DEC.2005.120819.0700.>

With previous permission from John Schwaller, I'm announcing that my translation of Anonimo Mexicano is now available through Utah State University Press. It is the first English translation that I know of and covers the full manuscript text. It's in three-column format: a close transcription, a contemporary spelling of the same text (following Kartunnen's excellent dictionary), and the English translation. The annotations include comparisons with parallel sections from Torquemada.

Richley Crapo 

 



 
                   


From rcrapo at hass.usu.edu  Fri Dec 23 19:12:05 2005
From: rcrapo at hass.usu.edu (Richley Crapo)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:12:05 -0700
Subject: Publication of Anonimo Mexicano available
Message-ID: <FRI.23.DEC.2005.121205.0700.>

Sorry, but I failed to change the subject line on the previous post.

With previous permission from John Schwaller, I'm announcing that my translation of Anonimo Mexicano is now available through Utah State University Press. It is the first English translation that I know of and covers the full manuscript text. It's in three-column format: a close transcription, a contemporary spelling of the same text (following Kartunnen's excellent dictionary), and the English translation. The annotations include comparisons with parallel sections from Torquemada.

Richley Crapo
 

 



 
                   


From schwallr at morris.umn.edu  Tue Dec 13 21:57:17 2005
From: schwallr at morris.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:57:17 -0600
Subject: Mesantli
Message-ID: <TUE.13.DEC.2005.155717.0600.NAHUATL@LISTS.UMN.EDU>

Could anyone help us on this?


>From: "Bradley Skopyk" <bds134 at yorku.ca>
>To: John F Schwaller <schwallr at morris.umn.edu>
>Subject: mesantli
>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:19:06 -0500
>
>Dear Professor Schwaller:
>I am one of Elinor Melville's PhD. students at York University, working on a
>dissertation about agrarian/environmental change in Tlaxcala in the 16th and
>17th centuries.  Professor Melville suggested I contact you with this query.
>In certain 16th century documents I found the term mesantli (alternatively
>mehuitzantli, huizantles), but I do not know, precisely, its meaning.
>
>The context is the following, "junto a el pueblo de san simon asi mismo
>dando vuelta como p'ta {or, p'ra} el sur conlinda con las tierras del pueblo
>de san martin xaltocan y por la parte des sur hasta el norte tiene dos mil
>ciento y dies y siete mehuizantlis cordeles de largo y de ancho mil y cuatro
>cientos cordeles huizantles"
>
>I suspect it is a system of measure that counts maguey cacti on field
>borders. Both the Dicc. Breve de Mexicanismos and the _Dictionnaire de la
>langue nahuatl classique_ relate the word to cacti (huitzli = acacia
>farmesiana agave; and Metzontli = agave, respectively).
>
>Have you come across or heard of this system of measurement before? I would
>like to know how common it was, the time period of its usage, and what
>exactly might be its equivalency in more standardized measures. If you have
>any information at all, I would greatly appreciate your response.
>
>Best Regards,
>Bradley Skopyk



John F. Schwaller
Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Dean
315 Behmler Hall
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at morris.umn.edu


From rcrapo at hass.usu.edu  Fri Dec 23 19:08:19 2005
From: rcrapo at hass.usu.edu (Richley Crapo)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:08:19 -0700
Subject: Mesantli
Message-ID: <FRI.23.DEC.2005.120819.0700.>

With previous permission from John Schwaller, I'm announcing that my translation of Anonimo Mexicano is now available through Utah State University Press. It is the first English translation that I know of and covers the full manuscript text. It's in three-column format: a close transcription, a contemporary spelling of the same text (following Kartunnen's excellent dictionary), and the English translation. The annotations include comparisons with parallel sections from Torquemada.

Richley Crapo 

 



 
                   


From rcrapo at hass.usu.edu  Fri Dec 23 19:12:05 2005
From: rcrapo at hass.usu.edu (Richley Crapo)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:12:05 -0700
Subject: Publication of Anonimo Mexicano available
Message-ID: <FRI.23.DEC.2005.121205.0700.>

Sorry, but I failed to change the subject line on the previous post.

With previous permission from John Schwaller, I'm announcing that my translation of Anonimo Mexicano is now available through Utah State University Press. It is the first English translation that I know of and covers the full manuscript text. It's in three-column format: a close transcription, a contemporary spelling of the same text (following Kartunnen's excellent dictionary), and the English translation. The annotations include comparisons with parallel sections from Torquemada.

Richley Crapo