endangered langauges

Thu Jun 9 02:49:33 UTC 2005

Maria,

There are three excellent translations of the NIcan Mopohua.  In them you will find a Spanish/ Nahuatl translation side-by-side, and in one of them an English/ Nahuatl translation.

1. "Relato de las apariciones de Sta. Maria de Guadalupe, Nican Mopohua."  Spanish / Nahuatl translation by Angel Maria Garibay K. in Servir: Teologia y Pastoral (95-96) XVII, 1981, pp. 421-485.  This journal is pretty hard to find, but you might want to inquire with the Mexican American Cultural Center in San Antonio, Texas.  They might have a copy in their library.

2. Tonantzin Guadalupe: Pensamineto náhuatl y mensaje cristiano en el "Nican mopohua".  By Miguel León-Portilla.  Mexico: Fondo de Cultura Económica, El Colegio Nacional, 2000.  You might want to order a copy of this book with Fondo de Cultura Económica in San Diego, California.  

3. The Story of Guadalupe: Luis Laso de la Vega's Huei tlamahuiçoltica of 1649. Edited and translated by Lisa Sousa, Stafford Poole, C.M., and James Lockhart.  Stanford, California: Stanford University Press, 1998.

I think you will find the Nahuatl and the Spanish (and English) translations are very helpful for doing exegesis of the text in question.  Finally, to ask whether Juan Diego spoke Spanish to Our Lady of Guadalupe is to ask a very tricky question.  Was Juan Diego a historical person?  Or is he the product of historicized myth?  There are two camps in this whole controversy: the aparicionistas and the anti-aparicionistas.  I doubt the answer is either of these two views.  

As a theologian, I can tell you that we have the same problematic in studies concerning the historical Jesus and the risen Christ.  Is the Resurrection of Jesus historicize myth, or did it really occur.  Anyway, getting back to your question about whether Juan Diego spoke to Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spanish or Nahuatl, the answer is we don't know.  

Juan Alvarez Cuauhtemoc

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Maria Bolivar 
  To: NAHUAT-L at LISTS.UMN.EDU 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:12 PM
  Subject: Re: endangered langauges

  Does anybody know if Juan Diego spoke in Spanish or in Náhuatl to the Virgin of Guadalupe.. 

  I am curious whether he really said Señora mía, la más pequeña de mis hijas. And where does that come from. It could be alter her own referente "hijo mío, el más pequeño", but I am going by the testimonial rather than the divine.

  Can anybody tell me how does "señora mía, la más pequeña de mis hijas. Niña mía"  translates in Náuhuatl.

  María Dolores Bolívar

  "Qué hay, hijo mío el más pequeño? ¿a dónde vas?"

  "Señora, la más pequeña de mis hijas. Niña mía... no te cause yo aflicción; de muy buena gana iré a cumplir tu mandado; de ninguna manera dejaré de hacerlo ni tengo por penoso el camino"

  "We don´t see things as they are,

  We see things as we are."

  Anais Nin

  Dr. María Dolores Bolívar

  MBOLIVAR at san.rr.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Nahua language and culture discussion [mailto:NAHUAT-L at LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel O Mosquera
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:31 AM
  To: NAHUAT-L at LISTS.UMN.EDU
  Subject: endangered langauges

  I thought the members of the list might be interested in the following:

  GRANT- Endangered Languages Documentation Programme  

  The Endangered Languages Documentation Programme is a component of the Hans Rausing Endangered Languages Project, administered by the School of Oriental and African Studies at the University of London. It offers up to £1 million in grants each year for the documentation of endangered languages in any location around the world.

   There are two main types of grants: 

  1. Large grants - major documentation projects and post-doctoral fellowships. Closing date 5th August 2005.

  2. Small grants - pilot projects, PhD studentships, and fieldtrips. Closing date 9 January 2006.

  For further information and application forms visit: http://www.hrelp.org/grants/

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