From magnuspharao at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 10:20:08 2006
From: magnuspharao at gmail.com (magnus hansen)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:20:08 +0200
Subject: Whorf microfilms in Chicago
Message-ID: <SUN.6.AUG.2006.122008.0200.MAGNUSPHARAO@GMAIL.COM>

Hello Listers

I have heard of a collection of microfilmed m anuscripts supposedly in the
library of the University of Chicago. By this title:
Investigations in Aztec linguistics and Toltec history: Part II, the
phenomenon of oligosynthesis in Nahuatl or Aztec (Microfilm collection of
manuscripts on Middle American cultural anthropology) (Microfilm collection
of manuscripts on Middle American cultural anthropology)

Do you know if there is any way to get a copy of these without going to
chicago?

Magnus
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From magnuspharao at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:48:35 2006
From: magnuspharao at gmail.com (magnus hansen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:48:35 +0200
Subject: Whorf microfilms in Chicago
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Thanks listers, I will try something like that.
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From schwallr at potsdam.edu  Fri Aug 11 14:49:32 2006
From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:49:32 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Aztlan] glyph decipherment.
Message-ID: <FRI.11.AUG.2006.104932.0400.SCHWALLR@POTSDAM.EDU>

Here are two posts of interest to students of 
Nahuatl from our sister listserv, Aztlan

The initial question asked about resources for deciphering Nahua glyphs


>From: David Stuart <kawil at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] glyph decipherment.
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:30:40 -0500
>
>
>One of the best overviews of the Nahua writing system(s) is an old
>classic by Henry Nicholson:
>
>1973 Phoneticism in the Late Pre-Hispanic Central Mexican Writing
>System.  In Mesoamerican Writing Systems, edited by Elizabeth P.
>Benson, pp. 1-46.  Dumbarton Oaks, Washington D.C.
>
>Nick's article is still very comprehensive and solid, and not really
>overshadowed by anything more recent, in my view.
>
>The Nahua system(s)  (there were probably several regional and
>temporal variants) deserve much more scholarly attention.  Aztec
>glyphs are assumed by many to be little more than simple pictographs
>therefore transparent, but they are far more phonetically based than
>is often realized.  Thelma Sullivan once told me that she thought
>Aztec glyphs needed a whole new systematic analysis, and I think she
>was right. One modern scholar who is doing very good work is my
>colleague Alfonso Lacadena, and I am sure there are others, too.
>
>- David Stuart
>



>From: "Jerry Offner" <ixtlil at earthlink.net>
>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:15:56 -0500
>
>It is a bit surprising that no one has mentioned 
>Marc Thouvenot's decades of work condensed into 
>the highly useful program CEN at this link:
>
>http://www.sup-infor.com/
>
>Marc has thorughly studied the content, meaning 
>and pronunciation of Nahua (Aztec) pictographs, 
>with an emphasis on the Texcocan area.  He has 
>designed and continously improved his programs 
>for studying them and Nahuatl.  The program  CEN 
>is free, large but easily downloaded and 
>installed, bug-free and enjoyable to use.  Good 
>quality photos of scarcely or poorly published 
>codices are part of the download, as can be seen 
>by examining the files and file structure after 
>the download.    Most directions are in French, 
>English and Spanish. (I should be able to help 
>anyone with difficulties getting the file 
>structure right on their computer in case they 
>find the site's directions difficult).   (There 
>is a lot more of interest to Mesoamericanists at this site).
>
>Marc's dissertation "Codex XOLOTL. Etude d'une 
>des composantes de son écriture : les glyphes. 
>Dictionnaire des éléments  constitutifs des glyphes"
>can also be downloaded for those who prefer a 
>more conventional presentation.   It is in 
>French, but its task is so detailed and 
>descriptive that it can be followed with minimal 
>work with a good French dictionary (on-line or paper).
>
>The only way to account for the general lack of 
>knowledge regarding his work is that he has not 
>produced a dead-tree coffee table work in 
>whatever language.   Given the nature of the 
>subject, his software approach is the current optimum method of presentation.
>
>Marc Thouvenot's work is indispensable if you 
>want to get serious about Nahua pictographic 
>writing. At the same time, beginners can obtain 
>attractive pictures and illustrations along with 
>information that can be accessed in greater or 
>lesser detail, as they require,
>
>Jerry Offner
>ixtlil at earthlink.net
>_______________________________________________




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From schwallr at potsdam.edu  Fri Aug 18 17:08:45 2006
From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:08:45 -0400
Subject: Pre-Columbian Society of Washington, D.C.
Message-ID: <FRI.18.AUG.2006.130845.0400.SCHWALLR@POTSDAM.EDU>

The Pre-Columbian Society of Washington, D.C. is currently accepting 
registrations for its September 2006 symposium, "Adventures in 
Pre-Columbian Studies: Illuminating the Past and Imagining the 
Future."  The symposium, to be held from 9:10 a.m. to 5:45 p.m. on 
Saturday, September 16,  will offer a journey into pre-Columbian 
studies as told through the career of Elizabeth P. Benson, a 
remarkable scholar whose achievements span the many distinct 
disciplines and cultures that make up the pre-Columbian field.

Elizabeth Benson created the Pre-Columbian Studies Program at 
Dumbarton Oaks, organized the first Maya hieroglyphic study group in 
the U.S., and, through her own research, refined the ways in which 
iconography and cross-cultural studies are used to explore the 
ancient American past.  In tribute to her many contributions, this 
symposium will bring together some of today's leading scholars to 
recap the thinking of the past, delve into the cutting edge ideas of 
the present, and provide glimpses into the potential breakthroughs of 
the future.

Julie Jones of The Metropolitan Museum of Art will moderate the 
symposium and will give introductory remarks. Other speakers include 
Steve Bourget of UT/Austin, Alana Cordy-Collins of UC/San Diego, 
Esther Pasztory of Columbia University, Peter Roe of the University 
of Delaware, Justin Kerr of New York City, and Gillett Griffin of 
Princeton University.  Following the speakers, Elizabeth Benson will 
give a brief address about the future of scholarship in the fields 
discussed in the preceding presentations.

The September 16 symposium will be held at the U.S. Navy Memorial and 
Naval Heritage Center at 701 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., in the heart 
of Washington, D.C.  The Center is conveniently located next to the 
Archives Metro station

The registration form and further information about the symposium are 
available from the Pre-Columbian Society's website, 
www.pcswdc.org.  Questions may be directed to scott.m.wilson at verizon.net.




John F. Schwaller
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44 Pierrepont Ave.
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From schwallr at potsdam.edu  Thu Aug 24 18:31:45 2006
From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:31:45 -0400
Subject: CNN report on Aztecs
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.143145.0400.SCHWALLR@POTSDAM.EDU>

I was just pointed to this story:


http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/08/23/aztecs.cannibals.reut/index.html


The site is called Tecuaque.  Could this be a Nahuatl verb "some one 
was eaten?"



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From joostkremers at fastmail.fm  Thu Aug 24 18:38:47 2006
From: joostkremers at fastmail.fm (Joost Kremers)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:38:47 +0200
Subject: CNN report on Aztecs
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060824142938.01b90830@potsdam.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.203847.0200.JOOSTKREMERS@FASTMAIL.FM>

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 02:31:45PM -0400, John F. Schwaller wrote:
> 
> I was just pointed to this story:
> 
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/08/23/aztecs.cannibals.reut/index.html
> 
> 
> The site is called Tecuaque.  Could this be a Nahuatl verb "some one 
> was eaten?"

On this site:

<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/24/aztec_sacrifices/>
 
it is said that the name means "where people are eaten" (presumably a loose
translation) and was given by Hernán Cortés after the Spanish found out
about the massacre.


-- 
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J.W. Goethe University, Frankfurt am Main
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From cberry at cine.net  Thu Aug 24 18:51:39 2006
From: cberry at cine.net (Craig Berry)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:51:39 -0700
Subject: CNN report on Aztecs
In-Reply-To: <20060824183847.GA977@teuctli>
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.115139.0700.CBERRY@CINE.NET>

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Joost Kremers wrote:

> it is said that the name means "where people are eaten" (presumably a
> loose translation) and was given by Hernán Cortés after the Spanish
> found out about the massacre.

I must say I was a bit surprised by the assertion that Cortes would name
the place in Nahuatl.

-- 
   )   Craig Berry - http://www.cine.net/~cberry/
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   (   democracy by undermining them.  That's the road to hell."
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From mmccaffe at indiana.edu  Thu Aug 24 19:35:15 2006
From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu (Michael McCafferty)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:35:15 -0400
Subject: CNN report on Aztecs
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060824142938.01b90830@potsdam.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.153515.0400.MMCCAFFE@INDIANA.EDU>

My first impression is

1) How come they know ***all the details*** about what apparently happened?

2) So much of this reads like something gleaned from so many other 
tales about the Aztecs.

Otherwise, Tecuaque does look like "they ate someone (i.e., people)'


Michael McCafferty


Quoting "John F. Schwaller" <schwallr at potsdam.edu>:

>
> I was just pointed to this story:
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/08/23/aztecs.cannibals.reut/index.html
>
>
> The site is called Tecuaque.  Could this be a Nahuatl verb "some one
> was eaten?"
>
>
>
> John F. Schwaller
> President
> SUNY Potsdam
> 44 Pierrepont Ave.
> Potsdam, NY  13676
>
> 315-267-2100
> 315-267-2496 fax
>
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From dcwright at prodigy.net.mx  Fri Aug 25 00:08:44 2006
From: dcwright at prodigy.net.mx (David Wright)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:08:44 -0500
Subject: Tecuaque
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.190844.0500.DCWRIGHT@PRODIGY.NET.MX>

Estimados listeros:
 
There is a bit more detailed information, and color photos, in a couple of
articles published in La Jornada on the 2nd of August. The information is
still somewhat vague. I'd like to know what the textual sources are; what
they mention doesn't ring a bell. I guess we'll have to wait until the
archaeologists publish their reports. Zultepec is Mark Morris' neck of the
woods. Are you out there, Mark?
 
See http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/08/02/cultura.php
(the first two links).
 
Saludos,
 
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From swood at uoregon.edu  Thu Aug 24 11:03:24 2006
From: swood at uoregon.edu (Stephanie Wood)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:03:24 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [Nahuat-l] CNN report on Aztecs
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.120324.0100.SWOOD@UOREGON.EDU>

Hey listeros,

Aside from other questions raised, I am wondering if anyone knows what 
the ethnohistorical sources might be for the study (Bernal Díaz?).  
Only archaeological sources are mentioned, but they do not seem 
sufficient for all of the conclusions drawn.

Stephanie Wood


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From mmccaffe at indiana.edu  Fri Aug 25 18:24:05 2006
From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu (Michael McCafferty)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:24:05 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [Nahuat-l] CNN report on Aztecs
In-Reply-To: <6f7ecdbc06b11284bbaf0126b9403c01@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.25.AUG.2006.142405.0400.MMCCAFFE@INDIANA.EDU>

Here, here, Stephanie. That was the point I was trying to make 
yesterday. I've rarely read anything that made me think, "Geez, this is 
a load of cuitlatl." Not that I discount the notion that something 
happened there. Not that I discount the notion of anthropaphagy in 
Mesoamerica. But this report sounds like, well, unbelievable in terms 
of the conclusions presented.

Michael McCafferty

Quoting Stephanie Wood <swood at uoregon.edu>:

> Hey listeros,
>
> Aside from other questions raised, I am wondering if anyone knows
> what the ethnohistorical sources might be for the study (Bernal
> Díaz?).  Only archaeological sources are mentioned, but they do not
> seem sufficient for all of the conclusions drawn.
>
> Stephanie Wood
>
>
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From schwallr at potsdam.edu  Thu Aug 31 12:26:47 2006
From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:26:47 -0400
Subject: The Aztecs and the Making of Colonial Mexico
Message-ID: <THU.31.AUG.2006.082647.0400.SCHWALLR@POTSDAM.EDU>

Announcing an exhibit and programs at the Newberry Library of Chicago

The Aztecs and the Making of Colonial Mexico
Sept. 28 to Jan. 13, 2007 .
"We want this exhibit to vividly reveal the Colonial Aztecs (the
Nahua) as people of great intelligence, creativity, and perseverance
whose contributions to the making of Colonial Mexico were essential,"
said Ellen Baird, co-curator and professor of art history at the
University of Illinois at Chicago. "The items in the exhibit make
apparent to viewers what words can only suggest: they are learned
works and often of great beauty."

Supporting programs include:

Exhibit Opening Program
Saturday, 30 September, 10 a.m.-Noon
Gallery Walks at Noon, 1 p.m. (guided tour in Spanish), and 2 p.m.
Reception, Noon

"Aztec Moments, Chicano Cosmovision: Imagining a Place for Aztlan"
Saturday, 14 October, 11 a.m.
David Carrasco, a distinguished historian of religion at Harvard
University, has published extensively on Aztec ritual, ceremonial
centers, and sacred spaces. His talk will compare the Aztecs'
imaginative and creative responses to colonization with the ways that
Mexican and Mexican-American artists, scholars, and activists have
recalled Aztec myths and symbols in constructions of their
contemporary identity. Carrasco will meet with high school students
for informal discussion before his public talk.

Mesoamerica at the Newberry
November 18
This session is an opportunity to view and discuss primary sources in
the Newberry's collections from explorers and indigenous peoples of
Mesoamerica. We will focus on, but not be limited to, Maya-related
items such as Waldeck's sketchbooks and maps. After the session, be
sure to view the items exhibited in The Aztecs and the Making of
Colonial Mexico.
Catherine Burdick, Research Assistant for the Aztecs and the Making
of Colonial Mexico exhibit and Ph.D. candidate in art history at the
University of Illinois Chicago.

# The Two Conquests of Mexico: Conquistadors and Padres
Saturdays, 2:00 pm - 4:00 pm
September 30 - December 9 (class will not meet November 25)
10 sessions, $180
This seminar is designed to integrate closely with the Newberry's
fall exhibit, The Aztecs and the Making of Colonial Mexico. The
conquest of Mexico is part of the grand narrative of imperial
European expansion. Grand narratives, of course, mix folklore and
myth with historical facts. We will begin with readings on the Aztecs
and will continue with a discussion of the Seven Myths of the Spanish
Conquest. We will conclude by assessing the imprint left by the
Indians of New Spain on the creation of modern Mexico.
Donald McVicker holds a Ph.D. in Anthropology from the University of
Chicago. He is a professor emeritus, North Central College, and a
research associate in anthropology at The Field Museum.

Newberry Library
60 W. Walton Street
Chicago, IL 60610-7324
http://www.newberry.org/
to register: (312) 255-3700 or (312) 255-3592
fax: (312) 255-3680
e-mail: pubprog at newberry.org



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From magnuspharao at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 10:20:08 2006
From: magnuspharao at gmail.com (magnus hansen)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:20:08 +0200
Subject: Whorf microfilms in Chicago
Message-ID: <SUN.6.AUG.2006.122008.0200.MAGNUSPHARAO@GMAIL.COM>

Hello Listers

I have heard of a collection of microfilmed m anuscripts supposedly in the
library of the University of Chicago. By this title:
Investigations in Aztec linguistics and Toltec history: Part II, the
phenomenon of oligosynthesis in Nahuatl or Aztec (Microfilm collection of
manuscripts on Middle American cultural anthropology) (Microfilm collection
of manuscripts on Middle American cultural anthropology)

Do you know if there is any way to get a copy of these without going to
chicago?

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From magnuspharao at gmail.com  Tue Aug  8 12:48:35 2006
From: magnuspharao at gmail.com (magnus hansen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:48:35 +0200
Subject: Whorf microfilms in Chicago
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Thanks listers, I will try something like that.
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From schwallr at potsdam.edu  Fri Aug 11 14:49:32 2006
From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:49:32 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Aztlan] glyph decipherment.
Message-ID: <FRI.11.AUG.2006.104932.0400.SCHWALLR@POTSDAM.EDU>

Here are two posts of interest to students of 
Nahuatl from our sister listserv, Aztlan

The initial question asked about resources for deciphering Nahua glyphs


>From: David Stuart <kawil at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [Aztlan] glyph decipherment.
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:30:40 -0500
>
>
>One of the best overviews of the Nahua writing system(s) is an old
>classic by Henry Nicholson:
>
>1973 Phoneticism in the Late Pre-Hispanic Central Mexican Writing
>System.  In Mesoamerican Writing Systems, edited by Elizabeth P.
>Benson, pp. 1-46.  Dumbarton Oaks, Washington D.C.
>
>Nick's article is still very comprehensive and solid, and not really
>overshadowed by anything more recent, in my view.
>
>The Nahua system(s)  (there were probably several regional and
>temporal variants) deserve much more scholarly attention.  Aztec
>glyphs are assumed by many to be little more than simple pictographs
>therefore transparent, but they are far more phonetically based than
>is often realized.  Thelma Sullivan once told me that she thought
>Aztec glyphs needed a whole new systematic analysis, and I think she
>was right. One modern scholar who is doing very good work is my
>colleague Alfonso Lacadena, and I am sure there are others, too.
>
>- David Stuart
>



>From: "Jerry Offner" <ixtlil at earthlink.net>
>To: aztlan at lists.famsi.org
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:15:56 -0500
>
>It is a bit surprising that no one has mentioned 
>Marc Thouvenot's decades of work condensed into 
>the highly useful program CEN at this link:
>
>http://www.sup-infor.com/
>
>Marc has thorughly studied the content, meaning 
>and pronunciation of Nahua (Aztec) pictographs, 
>with an emphasis on the Texcocan area.  He has 
>designed and continously improved his programs 
>for studying them and Nahuatl.  The program  CEN 
>is free, large but easily downloaded and 
>installed, bug-free and enjoyable to use.  Good 
>quality photos of scarcely or poorly published 
>codices are part of the download, as can be seen 
>by examining the files and file structure after 
>the download.    Most directions are in French, 
>English and Spanish. (I should be able to help 
>anyone with difficulties getting the file 
>structure right on their computer in case they 
>find the site's directions difficult).   (There 
>is a lot more of interest to Mesoamericanists at this site).
>
>Marc's dissertation "Codex XOLOTL. Etude d'une 
>des composantes de son ?criture : les glyphes. 
>Dictionnaire des ?l?ments  constitutifs des glyphes"
>can also be downloaded for those who prefer a 
>more conventional presentation.   It is in 
>French, but its task is so detailed and 
>descriptive that it can be followed with minimal 
>work with a good French dictionary (on-line or paper).
>
>The only way to account for the general lack of 
>knowledge regarding his work is that he has not 
>produced a dead-tree coffee table work in 
>whatever language.   Given the nature of the 
>subject, his software approach is the current optimum method of presentation.
>
>Marc Thouvenot's work is indispensable if you 
>want to get serious about Nahua pictographic 
>writing. At the same time, beginners can obtain 
>attractive pictures and illustrations along with 
>information that can be accessed in greater or 
>lesser detail, as they require,
>
>Jerry Offner
>ixtlil at earthlink.net
>_______________________________________________




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From schwallr at potsdam.edu  Fri Aug 18 17:08:45 2006
From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:08:45 -0400
Subject: Pre-Columbian Society of Washington, D.C.
Message-ID: <FRI.18.AUG.2006.130845.0400.SCHWALLR@POTSDAM.EDU>

The Pre-Columbian Society of Washington, D.C. is currently accepting 
registrations for its September 2006 symposium, "Adventures in 
Pre-Columbian Studies: Illuminating the Past and Imagining the 
Future."  The symposium, to be held from 9:10 a.m. to 5:45 p.m. on 
Saturday, September 16,  will offer a journey into pre-Columbian 
studies as told through the career of Elizabeth P. Benson, a 
remarkable scholar whose achievements span the many distinct 
disciplines and cultures that make up the pre-Columbian field.

Elizabeth Benson created the Pre-Columbian Studies Program at 
Dumbarton Oaks, organized the first Maya hieroglyphic study group in 
the U.S., and, through her own research, refined the ways in which 
iconography and cross-cultural studies are used to explore the 
ancient American past.  In tribute to her many contributions, this 
symposium will bring together some of today's leading scholars to 
recap the thinking of the past, delve into the cutting edge ideas of 
the present, and provide glimpses into the potential breakthroughs of 
the future.

Julie Jones of The Metropolitan Museum of Art will moderate the 
symposium and will give introductory remarks. Other speakers include 
Steve Bourget of UT/Austin, Alana Cordy-Collins of UC/San Diego, 
Esther Pasztory of Columbia University, Peter Roe of the University 
of Delaware, Justin Kerr of New York City, and Gillett Griffin of 
Princeton University.  Following the speakers, Elizabeth Benson will 
give a brief address about the future of scholarship in the fields 
discussed in the preceding presentations.

The September 16 symposium will be held at the U.S. Navy Memorial and 
Naval Heritage Center at 701 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., in the heart 
of Washington, D.C.  The Center is conveniently located next to the 
Archives Metro station

The registration form and further information about the symposium are 
available from the Pre-Columbian Society's website, 
www.pcswdc.org.  Questions may be directed to scott.m.wilson at verizon.net.




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From schwallr at potsdam.edu  Thu Aug 24 18:31:45 2006
From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:31:45 -0400
Subject: CNN report on Aztecs
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.143145.0400.SCHWALLR@POTSDAM.EDU>

I was just pointed to this story:


http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/08/23/aztecs.cannibals.reut/index.html


The site is called Tecuaque.  Could this be a Nahuatl verb "some one 
was eaten?"



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From joostkremers at fastmail.fm  Thu Aug 24 18:38:47 2006
From: joostkremers at fastmail.fm (Joost Kremers)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:38:47 +0200
Subject: CNN report on Aztecs
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060824142938.01b90830@potsdam.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.203847.0200.JOOSTKREMERS@FASTMAIL.FM>

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 02:31:45PM -0400, John F. Schwaller wrote:
> 
> I was just pointed to this story:
> 
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/08/23/aztecs.cannibals.reut/index.html
> 
> 
> The site is called Tecuaque.  Could this be a Nahuatl verb "some one 
> was eaten?"

On this site:

<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/24/aztec_sacrifices/>
 
it is said that the name means "where people are eaten" (presumably a loose
translation) and was given by Hern?n Cort?s after the Spanish found out
about the massacre.


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From cberry at cine.net  Thu Aug 24 18:51:39 2006
From: cberry at cine.net (Craig Berry)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:51:39 -0700
Subject: CNN report on Aztecs
In-Reply-To: <20060824183847.GA977@teuctli>
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.115139.0700.CBERRY@CINE.NET>

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Joost Kremers wrote:

> it is said that the name means "where people are eaten" (presumably a
> loose translation) and was given by Hern?n Cort?s after the Spanish
> found out about the massacre.

I must say I was a bit surprised by the assertion that Cortes would name
the place in Nahuatl.

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From mmccaffe at indiana.edu  Thu Aug 24 19:35:15 2006
From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu (Michael McCafferty)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:35:15 -0400
Subject: CNN report on Aztecs
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20060824142938.01b90830@potsdam.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.153515.0400.MMCCAFFE@INDIANA.EDU>

My first impression is

1) How come they know ***all the details*** about what apparently happened?

2) So much of this reads like something gleaned from so many other 
tales about the Aztecs.

Otherwise, Tecuaque does look like "they ate someone (i.e., people)'


Michael McCafferty


Quoting "John F. Schwaller" <schwallr at potsdam.edu>:

>
> I was just pointed to this story:
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/08/23/aztecs.cannibals.reut/index.html
>
>
> The site is called Tecuaque.  Could this be a Nahuatl verb "some one
> was eaten?"
>
>
>
> John F. Schwaller
> President
> SUNY Potsdam
> 44 Pierrepont Ave.
> Potsdam, NY  13676
>
> 315-267-2100
> 315-267-2496 fax
>
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From dcwright at prodigy.net.mx  Fri Aug 25 00:08:44 2006
From: dcwright at prodigy.net.mx (David Wright)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:08:44 -0500
Subject: Tecuaque
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.190844.0500.DCWRIGHT@PRODIGY.NET.MX>

Estimados listeros:
 
There is a bit more detailed information, and color photos, in a couple of
articles published in La Jornada on the 2nd of August. The information is
still somewhat vague. I'd like to know what the textual sources are; what
they mention doesn't ring a bell. I guess we'll have to wait until the
archaeologists publish their reports. Zultepec is Mark Morris' neck of the
woods. Are you out there, Mark?
 
See http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/08/02/cultura.php
(the first two links).
 
Saludos,
 
David
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From swood at uoregon.edu  Thu Aug 24 11:03:24 2006
From: swood at uoregon.edu (Stephanie Wood)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:03:24 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [Nahuat-l] CNN report on Aztecs
Message-ID: <THU.24.AUG.2006.120324.0100.SWOOD@UOREGON.EDU>

Hey listeros,

Aside from other questions raised, I am wondering if anyone knows what 
the ethnohistorical sources might be for the study (Bernal D?az?).  
Only archaeological sources are mentioned, but they do not seem 
sufficient for all of the conclusions drawn.

Stephanie Wood


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From mmccaffe at indiana.edu  Fri Aug 25 18:24:05 2006
From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu (Michael McCafferty)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:24:05 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [Nahuat-l] CNN report on Aztecs
In-Reply-To: <6f7ecdbc06b11284bbaf0126b9403c01@uoregon.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.25.AUG.2006.142405.0400.MMCCAFFE@INDIANA.EDU>

Here, here, Stephanie. That was the point I was trying to make 
yesterday. I've rarely read anything that made me think, "Geez, this is 
a load of cuitlatl." Not that I discount the notion that something 
happened there. Not that I discount the notion of anthropaphagy in 
Mesoamerica. But this report sounds like, well, unbelievable in terms 
of the conclusions presented.

Michael McCafferty

Quoting Stephanie Wood <swood at uoregon.edu>:

> Hey listeros,
>
> Aside from other questions raised, I am wondering if anyone knows
> what the ethnohistorical sources might be for the study (Bernal
> D?az?).  Only archaeological sources are mentioned, but they do not
> seem sufficient for all of the conclusions drawn.
>
> Stephanie Wood
>
>
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From schwallr at potsdam.edu  Thu Aug 31 12:26:47 2006
From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:26:47 -0400
Subject: The Aztecs and the Making of Colonial Mexico
Message-ID: <THU.31.AUG.2006.082647.0400.SCHWALLR@POTSDAM.EDU>

Announcing an exhibit and programs at the Newberry Library of Chicago

The Aztecs and the Making of Colonial Mexico
Sept. 28 to Jan. 13, 2007 .
"We want this exhibit to vividly reveal the Colonial Aztecs (the
Nahua) as people of great intelligence, creativity, and perseverance
whose contributions to the making of Colonial Mexico were essential,"
said Ellen Baird, co-curator and professor of art history at the
University of Illinois at Chicago. "The items in the exhibit make
apparent to viewers what words can only suggest: they are learned
works and often of great beauty."

Supporting programs include:

Exhibit Opening Program
Saturday, 30 September, 10 a.m.-Noon
Gallery Walks at Noon, 1 p.m. (guided tour in Spanish), and 2 p.m.
Reception, Noon

"Aztec Moments, Chicano Cosmovision: Imagining a Place for Aztlan"
Saturday, 14 October, 11 a.m.
David Carrasco, a distinguished historian of religion at Harvard
University, has published extensively on Aztec ritual, ceremonial
centers, and sacred spaces. His talk will compare the Aztecs'
imaginative and creative responses to colonization with the ways that
Mexican and Mexican-American artists, scholars, and activists have
recalled Aztec myths and symbols in constructions of their
contemporary identity. Carrasco will meet with high school students
for informal discussion before his public talk.

Mesoamerica at the Newberry
November 18
This session is an opportunity to view and discuss primary sources in
the Newberry's collections from explorers and indigenous peoples of
Mesoamerica. We will focus on, but not be limited to, Maya-related
items such as Waldeck's sketchbooks and maps. After the session, be
sure to view the items exhibited in The Aztecs and the Making of
Colonial Mexico.
Catherine Burdick, Research Assistant for the Aztecs and the Making
of Colonial Mexico exhibit and Ph.D. candidate in art history at the
University of Illinois Chicago.

# The Two Conquests of Mexico: Conquistadors and Padres
Saturdays, 2:00 pm - 4:00 pm
September 30 - December 9 (class will not meet November 25)
10 sessions, $180
This seminar is designed to integrate closely with the Newberry's
fall exhibit, The Aztecs and the Making of Colonial Mexico. The
conquest of Mexico is part of the grand narrative of imperial
European expansion. Grand narratives, of course, mix folklore and
myth with historical facts. We will begin with readings on the Aztecs
and will continue with a discussion of the Seven Myths of the Spanish
Conquest. We will conclude by assessing the imprint left by the
Indians of New Spain on the creation of modern Mexico.
Donald McVicker holds a Ph.D. in Anthropology from the University of
Chicago. He is a professor emeritus, North Central College, and a
research associate in anthropology at The Field Museum.

Newberry Library
60 W. Walton Street
Chicago, IL 60610-7324
http://www.newberry.org/
to register: (312) 255-3700 or (312) 255-3592
fax: (312) 255-3680
e-mail: pubprog at newberry.org



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