From campbel at indiana.edu  Fri Jun  2 03:32:05 2006
From: campbel at indiana.edu (R. Joe Campbell)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:32:05 -0400
Subject: Schools
In-Reply-To: <0IZM00HK7K5C8Y@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUN.2006.233205.0400.CAMPBEL@INDIANA.EDU>

David,

    When I saw your message over ten days ago, I was delighted at the 
question -- I would like to know the answers.  Why?  Because I'm curious 
about the house I live in.  I know a lot of people who live on my hallway
and when their doors are open, I stop by and lean on their doorframe and
talk for a while.  But there are a lot of floors closer to the foundation
than mine... and I think the elevator is out of service.

    The answers to your question would give all of us pleasure and 
perspective, but so far I haven't seen one even threecoming.
No!  Iztlacapahtiliztli!!  Bernard shared a genealogical fact with
us and I appreciated that.  Now, surely *someone* has another one
that they could contribute without doing any harm to themselves.

    It would be so easy for each list member to contribute what
they know (even if splinter facts) about how they got into Nahuatl,
who was helpful in their formation, and what they know about other
branches on the tree.

    Myself, I never took a course in Nahuatl.  My professor,
Ken Hale, went to Tepoztlan during Easter vacation for few
days in 1962 and took a five inch tape back to the University
of Illinois.  He totally assimilated it in a few days and then
entertained a group of us acting as our Nahuatl informant,
preparing for the summer field trip in Tepoztlan.
    Ken got to Tepoztlan about three days ahead of me in the
summer and seemed to have there for a year -- his vocabulary
was incredibly large and his understanding of word formation
was... again, beyond belief.

    Six weeks in Tepoztlan and a laborious term paper on verb
formation that I wrote after my return to Champaign was all of
my experience in Nahuatl before Indiana University asked me to
teach a series of NDEA funded courses.  I went to Hueyapan,
in the summer of 1970 to invite a young woman to act as a
language expert and work in the course with me.  We worked
together for two intense semesters and then I furthered my
learning of the language by teaching it alone for two more
years... and they didn't fully realize how little I knew.

    In 1974 I started working on translating Molina,
Nahuatl-Spanish, into English -- and succeeded in
learning a little more.  And from 1974 to 1985, I worked
on doing the morphological analysis for the same dictionary,
then moving on to doing the same thing for the Florentine
Codex.  ...and on ...and on ...and on.

    For the last twenty+ years, I've done fieldwork on various
Nahuatl dialects.

    And I'm still learning.  OK, I never had a classroom professor
in Nahuatl (never took an exam), but I wouldn't be doing Nahuatl
now if it hadn't been for Ken Hale.

Iztayohmeh,

Joe

p.s.  For quite a while, I have been intending to ask the listeros
if they would contribute to a list of places and resources for learning
Nahuatl.

    Who is currently teaching it?  Where?  What variety of Nahuatl?



On Sun, 21 May 2006, David Wright wrote:

> Estimados listeros:
>
> I've long wondered about how accumulated knowledge of Nahuatl grammar was
> transmited over the years, particularly during the 20th century.

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From mmccaffe at indiana.edu  Fri Jun  2 11:53:11 2006
From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu (Michael McCafferty)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:53:11 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Nahuat-l] Schools
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.075311.0400.>

----- Forwarded message from mmccaffe at indiana.edu -----
    Date: Fri,  2 Jun 2006 07:51:33 -0400
    From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu
Reply-To: mmccaffe at indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Schools
      To: "R. Joe Campbell" <campbel at indiana.edu>

In grad school I wanted to take a language of the Americas. There was
only Zapotec and Nahuatl offered that semester. Before the semester
started I called the Zapotec teacher and he wasn't home. I called the
Nahuatl teacher, Joe Campbell, and he was home, and he was enthusiastic
about teaching the course. So, I signed up.

Then i spent two semesters daily with Joe in a Nahuatl class with one
other student. It was the best class i ever took, hands down. By the
second semester we were reading the Florentine codex.

After that i studied Andrews and Thelma Sullivan, Carochi, on my own,
and a few others. Then a few years later, I taught Nahuatl to three
successive beginning groups and two advanced groups at Indiana. When
the money dried up, I joined a "Nahuatl circle" that includes Joe and
Pablo Garcia, my best student.

That's my story.

Michael McCafferty



Quoting "R. Joe Campbell" <campbel at indiana.edu>:

> David,
>
>    When I saw your message over ten days ago, I was delighted at the
> question -- I would like to know the answers.  Why?  Because I'm
> curious about the house I live in.  I know a lot of people who live
> on my hallway
> and when their doors are open, I stop by and lean on their doorframe and
> talk for a while.  But there are a lot of floors closer to the foundation
> than mine... and I think the elevator is out of service.
>
>    The answers to your question would give all of us pleasure and
> perspective, but so far I haven't seen one even threecoming.
> No!  Iztlacapahtiliztli!!  Bernard shared a genealogical fact with
> us and I appreciated that.  Now, surely *someone* has another one
> that they could contribute without doing any harm to themselves.
>
>    It would be so easy for each list member to contribute what
> they know (even if splinter facts) about how they got into Nahuatl,
> who was helpful in their formation, and what they know about other
> branches on the tree.
>
>    Myself, I never took a course in Nahuatl.  My professor,
> Ken Hale, went to Tepoztlan during Easter vacation for few
> days in 1962 and took a five inch tape back to the University
> of Illinois.  He totally assimilated it in a few days and then
> entertained a group of us acting as our Nahuatl informant,
> preparing for the summer field trip in Tepoztlan.
>    Ken got to Tepoztlan about three days ahead of me in the
> summer and seemed to have there for a year -- his vocabulary
> was incredibly large and his understanding of word formation
> was... again, beyond belief.
>
>    Six weeks in Tepoztlan and a laborious term paper on verb
> formation that I wrote after my return to Champaign was all of
> my experience in Nahuatl before Indiana University asked me to
> teach a series of NDEA funded courses.  I went to Hueyapan,
> in the summer of 1970 to invite a young woman to act as a
> language expert and work in the course with me.  We worked
> together for two intense semesters and then I furthered my
> learning of the language by teaching it alone for two more
> years... and they didn't fully realize how little I knew.
>
>    In 1974 I started working on translating Molina,
> Nahuatl-Spanish, into English -- and succeeded in
> learning a little more.  And from 1974 to 1985, I worked
> on doing the morphological analysis for the same dictionary,
> then moving on to doing the same thing for the Florentine
> Codex.  ...and on ...and on ...and on.
>
>    For the last twenty+ years, I've done fieldwork on various
> Nahuatl dialects.
>
>    And I'm still learning.  OK, I never had a classroom professor
> in Nahuatl (never took an exam), but I wouldn't be doing Nahuatl
> now if it hadn't been for Ken Hale.
>
> Iztayohmeh,
>
> Joe
>
> p.s.  For quite a while, I have been intending to ask the listeros
> if they would contribute to a list of places and resources for learning
> Nahuatl.
>
>    Who is currently teaching it?  Where?  What variety of Nahuatl?
>
>
>
> On Sun, 21 May 2006, David Wright wrote:
>
>> Estimados listeros:
>>
>> I've long wondered about how accumulated knowledge of Nahuatl grammar was
>> transmited over the years, particularly during the 20th century.
>
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From b.leeming at rivers.org  Fri Jun  2 12:29:27 2006
From: b.leeming at rivers.org (b.leeming at rivers.org)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:29:27 -0400
Subject: Schools
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.082927.0400.>

Listeros-

I, too, have been following this thread closely and have enjoyed reading individual's
tales of learning Nahuatl.  My introduction to Nahuatl came through research I did
last year under the supervision of Davíd Carrasco at Harvard.  (I wrote my graduate
thesis on the so-called Testerian catechisms used in the evangelization of the
indigenous population of Mexico.)  Since then I have been working (slowly!) through
Lockhart's "Nahuatl As Written: Lessons in Older Written Nahuatl."  However, without
the aid of a master teacher or even a group of like-minded students, the going has
been very slow.  So, my question is: Short of attending a summer program in Mexico
(travel is difficult right now due to young children), does anyone know of a Nahuatl
scholar in the Boston, MA area or can anyone connect me with others in this part of
the country who have an interest in learning Nahuatl?

Thank you!

Ben Leeming
The Rivers School
Weston, MA


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From karttu at nantucket.net  Fri Jun  2 10:42:02 2006
From: karttu at nantucket.net (Frances Karttunen)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:42:02 -0400
Subject: How I got to Nahuatl
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.064202.0400.KARTTU@NANTUCKET.NET>

When I was a brand-new Indiana University grad student in linguistics, 
Joe Campbell was a brand-new assistant professor.  I took a course in 
the history of linguistics from Joe, but we didn't do any Nahuatl then. 
Since those days, we have become firm friends and colleagues and had 
our share of adventures in Mexico.

In 1967-68, while I was an NSF pre-doc fellow in computational 
linguistics at the RAND Corporation in Santa Monica, I met Jim 
Lockhart, who also lived in Santa Monica.

 From there I moved on to the University of Texas, Austin, where I held 
a series of research positions in linguistics.  Shortly after that Jim 
relocated from UCLA to UT-Austin for a brief time before returning to 
UCLA.  While in Austin he approached me with a problem:  The archives 
of Mexico are stuffed with indigenous-language documents, probably 
vital to any colonial Latin-American historian like Jim, but there were 
no organized courses teaching these languages.

The language of the largest number of these colonial documents is 
Nahuatl.  Jim asked me as a linguist about how one approaches such a 
language.

As it turned out, it was Jim who did the intensive leading over the 
next several years.  I went to Finland on a Fulbright research 
fellowship and then on to MIT for a year.  In the meantime Jim went 
back to UCLA.  From there on, we carried on most of our collaboration 
by xerox machine and the USPS.  Jim flooded me with transcriptions and 
provisional translations and sent me photo-copies of many significant 
works such as the facsimile of Carochi 1645. I would never have gotten 
anywhere without his immense generosity.

After I got back to UT-Austin, I made a trip to Mexico City while Jim 
was there on sabbatical carrying on archival research.  He introduced 
me to the Mexico City nahuatlahtos such as Miguel León Portilla and his 
wife Chonita, Fernando Horcasitas, Thelma Sullivan, Nigel Davies, and 
others. I also met Fritz Schwaller on my first visit to Mexico.  Later 
I met Fred Nagel and even more nahuatlahtos in Mexico.

In the States Jim provided me with a letter of introduction to Arthur 
Anderson, which was a huge privilege.

Together Jim and I combed Mexico City book stores for more books.  And 
one day, when I was visiting the National Archives and had some waiting 
to do while Jim worked on something or other, he ordered up a Nahuatl 
manscript to occupy me.

It turned out that without ever having taken a paleography course, I 
had a knack for transcribing colonial Nahuatl.  I even cracked a hard 
nut that Thelma had been chewing on for a long time.

During that brief time Jim and I produced Nahuatl in the Middle Years, 
connecting the Classical Nahuatl of Olmos, Molina, Carochi, et al., 
with the modern studies of spoken Nahuatl via material drawn from the 
colonial documents.

Also, Joe Campbell had by this time moved to UT-San Antonio, and 
Elizabeth Hill (later Boone) and I were burning up IH-35 visiting Joe 
at least once a week to work with him and his computerized Nahuatl 
teaching material. Like Jim Lockhart, Joe was unstinting in his 
generosity with Nahuatl material.  I carted home wheelbarrows full of 
computer print-out from his fieldwork.  Later Joe let me build on the 
basis of his computerized Nahuatl lessons to produce the notebook 
Foundation Course in Nahuatl Grammar, copies of which Fritz Schwaller 
has so faithfully distributed over these many years.

In the mid 1970s I went to Tepoztlan to live with a local family and 
maintained my connections in Tepoztlan for many years.  I also had the 
privilege of going out on interviewing trips with Joe, and once I made 
a trip up to the Huasteca with Karen Dakin, who has been a good friend 
and fellow linguist.  Jim and I once made a trip deep into the 
hinterland of Guererro to visit Una Canger, who was living and working 
there.

It became clear from the grammar of J. Richard Andrews plus our 
by-now-well-worn copies of Carochi that a modern dictionary of Nahuatl 
showing distinctive vowel length and segmental glottal stop was greatly 
needed, and that my abilities in computational data processing and 
linguistic analysis would make me the logical person to do it.

I got a series of NSF grants to do An Analytical Dictionary of Nahuatl 
and an NEH grant to do a book about the Bancroft huehuehtlahtolli 
co-authored with Jim Lockhart.  I went back to Finland during this 
time, so much of the Nahuatl dictionary was compiled in a lake-side 
cottage in the Finnish countryside.

Joe left UTSA, but by this time my own Nahuatl work--some co-authored 
with Jim, some co-authored with Joe, and the rest done on my 
own--continued unchecked. Part of the impetus for the work came from 
the unfailing support of Fermando Horasitas (whose death left us 
bereft), Thelma Sullivan, Yolanda Lastra, and Miguel Leon-Portilla and 
Ascension H. de L-P (Chonita).

One of the fascinating people in Nahuatl studies is doña Luz Jiménez, 
who worked with Fernando Horcasitas.  I did  not have the good fortune 
to meet doña Luz in life, but through her Nahuatl compositions, I felt 
as though she was an intellectual mother.  Joe and I interviewed 
members of her family, and I wrote her career biography as part of my 
book Between Worlds. Since then we have enjoyed an especially warm and 
close relationship with Jesús Villanueva, the grandson of doña Luz, who 
has recently produced a CD about her life and work.

At UT-Austin I directed two NEH Summer Institutes at while Joe and I 
and Alberto Zepeda taught Nahuatl.  Alberto was a brilliant teacher and 
a dear friend, and we were devastated when he died of leukemia.

Among the many wonderful participants in those NEH institutes was John 
Charlot, whose father--the painter Jean Charlot--had been particularly 
close to doña Luz in the 1920s and maintained a close connection 
through letters after he moved to New York and eventually to Hawaii.  
Because of the letters from Luz to Charlot that are archived at the U. 
of Hawaii-Manoa, I spent an academic year in Hawaii, and my connections 
through that year and with the Charlot family have been very fruitful.

When my husband retired from UT-Austin, I took early retirement, and we 
left Texas.  Shortly thereafter, completely out of the blue, I was 
contacted by Italian composer Lorenzo Ferrero, who was seeking help 
with creating a libretto for an opera about the Conquest of Mexico that 
had been commissioned for the Prague National Opera.   His concept was 
for the Spaniards to sing in 16th-century Spanish, the Aztecs to sing 
in Classical Nahuatl, and the character of doña Marina, the Nahua 
interpreter for Cortés, to interpret to the opera's audience what was 
going on.  After I worked for Lorenzo as a consultant for a while, he 
generously suggested we share credit as co-librettists.  The opera had 
its premiere in Prague in March 2005, and we hope it will find many 
other venues in the near future.

Most recently I recorded a podcast about doña Marina ("la Malinche") 
for NuestraFamiliaUnida.

Frances Karttunen


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From schwallr at morris.umn.edu  Fri Jun  2 13:38:41 2006
From: schwallr at morris.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:38:41 -0500
Subject: How Nahuatl found me
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.083841.0500.SCHWALLR@MORRIS.UMN.EDU>

Colleagues,

At the risk of being repetitious, my story is not really that 
exciting.  Like Fran Karttunen and Michael McCafferty,  I was a 
graduate student at Indiana University.  Unlike them, I was studying 
colonial Mexican history.  My advisor, John Lombardi, suggested that 
learning Nahuatl might be of great utility in my research.  It just 
so happened that IU was a federally funded Latin American Studies 
center and offered Nahuatl, and other native languages, which 
qualified for federal assistance under the National Defense Foreign 
Language Act.  So my second year of graduate work I earned a 
fellowship to learn Nahuatl under the direction of Joe Campbell.  It 
was one of those transformative experiences.  Joe was/is so 
passionate about the language that it was impossible not to get 
sucked in.  My fondest memories are of making glossaries of Nahuatl 
words that we would then enter on to punch cards to form Joe's data 
base.  We read the Horcasitas folk tales, and then worked on 
individual entries in the Molina dictionary.  After about 2 years 
with Joe, I even had the temerity to offer Nahuatl at IU through the 
popular university program.  I used to joke that I learned Nahuatl 
from a computer, programmed by Joe.  I also recall that when I tried 
to read Sahagun it seemed the most difficult and impenetrable thing I 
had ever seen.  As a graduate student I began to catalogue Nahuatl 
language manuscripts in the US, working first with the collection at 
the Lilly Library.  In 1974, I met Jim Lockhart, and got to know Fran 
Karttunen, as I provided minimal archival assistance in finding 
colonial Nahuatl documents.

I then went on to a career as a history and Spanish prof.  At every 
institution where I have worked, I have taught Nahuatl, Florida 
Atlantic University, the U. of Montana, and here at the U. of 
Minnesota.  Once I became an administrator and archival research 
became more difficult because of my "day job," I have turned more and 
more to Nahuatl.  It's something I can work on in my spare 
moments.  Also in the mid-1980s I received funding from NEH to 
develop a catalogue of Nahuatl language manuscripts in the US, which 
was eventually published by the Academy of American Franciscan 
History.  Also in the mid-80's at the behest of Marc Eisinger of 
France, I initiated this discussion list.  It makes it one of the 
oldest lists around, having begun during the precursor to the 
internet, bitnet.  I also developed www.nahuatl.org, which 
unfortunately languishes from time to time due to my commitments elsewhere.

As Fran pointed out, I make copies of the "Foundation Course" 
available.  Right now it is out of print, but when I get to Potsdam, 
NY, I'll have more copies printed and it will be for sale once again.

I have worked on the Guide to Confession written by Bartolome de 
Alva, on some of the cofradia constitutions of Molina, and recently I 
have been looking at nuances in Sahagun's Psalmodia and 
Coloquios.  Ironically I now find Sahagun to be quite clear and 
straightforward and use selections for readings when I teach Nahuatl.

I must give my deepest thanks to Joe Campbell and certainly to Fran 
Karttunen.  Without them I would never have persisted in Nahuatl as 
long as I have.  Their passion for the language has certainly inspired me.







John F. Schwaller
President
SUNY Potsdam
schwaljf at potsdam.edu

Until 6-30-06:
University of Minnesota, Morris
600 E 4th Street
Morris, MN  56267
320-589-6015
FAX 320-589-6399
schwallr at morris.umn.edu

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From MDBOLIVAR at san.rr.com  Fri Jun  2 15:08:20 2006
From: MDBOLIVAR at san.rr.com (Maria)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:08:20 -0700
Subject: How Nahuatl found me
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.080820.0700.MDBOLIVAR@SAN.RR.COM>

 
I forgot to mention. At UCSD, where I got my PhD, I only knew John
Sullivan who was interested in Náhuatl. I believe he had a very hard
time convincing his professors there could be a specialty in Náhuatl or
at least a graduate student working in a doctoral dissertation in
Náhuatl. Beyond that there was not an interest in American Languages at
all. I am speaking for the field of Cultural Studies and Literature. In
linguistics the interest died. In my times Linguistics was into the
Natural Approach, with massive offerings in Spanish and less in French,
German, Italian and Russian. Again, little Mandarin and Japanese. Those
who specialized in Mexico did it on interesting fields, like Jewish
Mexican Literature and other aspects of culture having little to do with
Old Mexico. As a Mexicanist, I felt sad the majority of advisors
suggested and even induced students to focus on Modern Mexico and
literatures gravitating around Octavio Paz, Carlos Fuentes and José
Emilio Pacheco (if lucky). So Náhuatl, totally out of the question.
 
Maria Bolivar
 
 
"We don´t see things as they are,
We see things as we are."
Anais Nin
 
Dr. María Dolores Bolívar
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From MDBOLIVAR at san.rr.com  Fri Jun  2 15:06:30 2006
From: MDBOLIVAR at san.rr.com (Maria)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:06:30 -0700
Subject: How Nahuatl found me
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.080630.0700.MDBOLIVAR@SAN.RR.COM>

Joe, we should seriously work in compiling in some form all these
testimonies. I am always interested about people who decide to learn
other languages, whatever language they may choose. The more I teach or
work with languages I realize those of us who learn languages belong in
an endangered group. In the community college, today, even Spanish
classes that used to be packed are losing numbers. German is no longer
taught. There are only two or three courses available in Arabic.
Japanese and Mandarin have one or two sections, not more than that. My
students they fall in two general categories. Those who see the
importance of learning languages but are caught up in the business of
having someone teach them and not learning it themselves. The other
group is made of those who realize -of course I want to be counted among
this bunch- learning a language involves a life endeavor, a daily effort
made of heroic acts of loyalty to the task. I have wanted to enroll in
an Arabic class, for instance, since about a month ago, and the
possibilities are so few my project doesn't even seem realistic, to
anybody. The ones I have found are advanced, which tells me they are
geared for the children of Arabic speakers who want to recuperate what
they have lost. Believe it or not, the only online possibility I found
came from Montana State University. I frankly was appalled to learn the
interest for Arabic in Montana exceeded San Diego's. 
As for Náhuatl... Two years ago I found in San Marcos, desperate to do
something more than work the fields for a minimum wage, a teacher/poet
of Náhuatl. I sent a wide invitation to form a group and come up with a
decent pay for him. IT would have amounted to a hundred to two hundred
dollars per person, per semester, even less, depending on how many
joined. I really thought at least ten people would show up, eager to
learn. I was too optimistic. Not one person showed up. Many responded, I
must say. There were plenty of good deeds and good excuses. Lack of time
was number one. A lot said they were not sure that they could give
themselves two hours a week for as long as they needed to learn "such a
difficult" language. I asked the teacher to stay put and be patient. I
thought I needed to be more persuasive. I offered to pitch in with a
demo lesson so everyone would be happy and motivated. I did schedule it,
not a soul showed up. They wrote to me that second time, and promised,
provided I organized it on a weekend, to come next time. 
End result, the teacher got discouraged and never called again. 
I have known two teachers who knew Náhuatl and could share their
knowledge practically. I tried signing up to go to Morelos, to spend the
summer. But I was told my children could not come -at the time 5 and 7.
The trip meant camping out and sleeping in places they did not think
appropriate for children. I know we would have loved it but they did not
think so. Maybe they thought we would be too picky. So all the Náhuatl I
have learned I have learned it pretty much on my own. Almost like I
learned Latin, to keep it in my box of treasures and share it once every
life. I work both for the Community College and for San Diego State
University. I have tried convincing them to teach Náhuatl and/or
Purépecha and find out if there is an interest. They decline graciously
my invitation. I have interviewed hundreds of workers from Latin
American Countries. I know there are a lot of Mayan speakers, Mixteco,
Zapoteco, and Purépecha. It would be great if there could be a conscious
drive to show how these languages count and that it is important to
spread and document their existence. But often I find myself alone in
thinking this way. It would be nice to find a group in the San Diego
area of people who want to become active speakers. If you have the said
references send them to me. I offer my place to start that circle. I
will provide the coffee, the music, the candles, the materials, the
housekeeping, everything to do that. I have all the books and materials
you can possibly think, and I will start a group with as many as another
person for as long as it takes us both to recruit any one else.
 
Maria Bolivar
 
 
 
 
"We don´t see things as they are,
We see things as we are."
Anais Nin
 
Dr. María Dolores Bolívar
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From brokaw at buffalo.edu  Fri Jun  2 19:20:31 2006
From: brokaw at buffalo.edu (Galen Brokaw)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:20:31 -0400
Subject: Schools
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.152031.0400.BROKAW@BUFFALO.EDU>

I've always been curious about how and where Andrews learned Nahuatl. It 
was my understanding that he taught in the Spanish and Portuguese dept. 
at Vanderbilt with a primary specialization in Medieval and/or Golden 
Age literature. In the introduction to his book he says that he first 
taught it in 1967 or somewhere close to that. Does anybody know where he 
studied Nahuatl? Did he learn it on his own? And what about Anderson and 
Dibble? Did they study in Mexico City?
I guess metaphorically speaking, I'm sort of on the same floor as Joe, 
but he made me feel guilty for not responding. So although what I have 
to say may be a little redundant and in some cases maybe obvious, here 
is my two cents.
I don't know that much about the teaching of Nahuatl in Mexico City, but 
outside of Mexico City and in the US over the last few decades, I think 
there have been/are at least four major sources/centers of Nahuatl 
teaching/learning for non-native speakers.

1. As everyone probably knows, Lockhart has probably produced the 
greatest number of scholars who go on to produce translations and use 
Nahuatl in historical research. If you come across someone who works 
with Nahuatl and got their Ph.D. from UCLA or in some cases even from 
universities near by there as in John's case, then it is likely that 
they studied with him. My impression is that Lockhart's students are 
primarily interested in the language as a tool of historical research, 
but there are a few exceptions (see #4). I think Lockhart's group has 
produced several people who have been producing translations, because 
this kind of thing was integrated into their graduate training and often 
as part of their dissertation research program.

2. As Joe already mentioned, he has been teaching Nahuatl at Indiana for 
many years and he is a very generous contributor to Nahuat-l. Michael 
and Fritz have already mentioned that they studied with Joe. There are 
also several other people who studied with Joe, like me, who participate 
to one degree or another on this list but haven't necessarily made new 
scholarly contributions to knowledge of the language or been influential 
in producing new generations of Nahuatl scholars (at least not yet). In 
the case of Nahuatl studies at Indiana, I think there have been 
different times at which there was a convergence of the stars or 
alignment of the planets or something during which there have been 
higher levels of activity and interest. As Michael has explained, there 
has been one such period of interest and activity recently with Pablo. 
While I was there from the mid to late 1990s was another such period 
originally made possible in part by a government grant in the Center for 
Latin American Studies, but also strengthened and extended as a result 
of a group of really interested and motivated students (Jongsoo Lee, 
Mark Morris, and me). I say "really interested" because, you have to be 
really interested in order to survive the rigor of Joe's classes (I 
don't think he will mind me saying this). His formal courses are very 
intense and demanding, but the experience is also very rewarding. And 
even after completing all the formal coursework that the funding allows, 
he generously volunteers to continue working in a regular study session 
mode with students who are interested. At one point, we were also 
fortunate to be able to bring in a Mexican scholar and native Nahuatl 
speaker to teach a Nahua culture course, attend our Nahuatl study 
sessions, and work with us as an informant. Another reason for the 
fertile environment for Nahuatl studies at Indiana in the 1990s was 
because at the same time some of us were also studying Mesoamerican 
pictography with Gordon Brotherston. As Fritz mentioned, another really 
nice thing about Indiana is that right there on campus, we had the Lilly 
Library's rare book and manuscript collection, which has a collection of 
Nahuatl documents, some of which also have accompanying picotgraphic 
texts. If you will permit a shameless plug at this point, I would 
mention that in 1997 my fellow Nahuatl students and I at Indiana 
published transcriptions and translations of a few short Nahuatl 
documents with accompanying pictographic texts in a publication along 
with a longer study and analysis by Gordon Brotherston titled 
_Footprints through time: Mexican pictorial manuscripts at the Lilly 
Library_ available from the Lilly Library. [I think we are all pretty 
pround of that publication, but if you order a copy, keep in mind that 
we were, and perhaps still are and always will be, novices :-)].

3. Jonathan Amith's summer program in Mexico. I don't know very much 
about this program, but I have heard very good things about it from 
people who have participated. I would be interested to hear about 
Jonathan's initial formation in Nahuatl....

4. John Sullivan, who was a student of Lockhart's, has also recently 
started a summer program in Zacatecas about which I have heard very good 
things. John has also undertaken the very ambitious project of 
developing a program for native speakers, devising linguistic 
terminology in Nahuatl so the language can be studied in Nahuatl itself, 
creating a Nahuatl-Nahuatl dictionary, etc.

Alfonos Reyes was also very active working with students on archives of 
Nahuatl documents in Tlaxcala, but I don't know if this project involved 
Nahuatl instruction or not.

There may be other programs of which I am unaware. I do know that 
Nahuatl is sometimes taught at other institutions in the U.S., but my 
impression is that in most cases not to the same extent or in the same 
depth as has been possible at UCLA and Indiana.
The summer programs are very good good and practical, but they have the 
disadvantage of being limited in terms of time. And knowledge gained in 
that way is very perishable if it is not reinforced over longer periods 
of time.
Both the UCLA and the Indiana groups have had the advantage of being 
able to study over the course of several consecutive years under the 
direction of Jim Lockhart and Joe Campbell respectively. I think most of 
the students who have come out of UCLA and Indiana, however, are 
historians or literature/cultural studies people. Michael was trained 
and works in linguistics and John has sort of become a linguist, but I 
think most of us who were trained in literature and/or history are 
constrained by the demands of the fields in which we work. As Joe knows, 
several of his former Indiana students like me are very interested in 
working more directly on Nahuatl, teaching it regularly, etc., but we 
also have to do what it takes to get tenure in our repsective fields. So 
in most cases, it becomes ancillary to our primary teaching and research 
programs.

Of course, I should include Nahuat-l on my list as well. Everyone here 
already knows about Nahuat-l, but I think we all owe a tribute to Fritz 
for starting and maintaining it over the years. I think it has been an 
invaluable resource for disseminating information, requesting help and 
collaboration in various kinds of endeavors related to the study of Nahuatl.

Best,
Galen








R. Joe Campbell wrote:
> David,
> 
>    When I saw your message over ten days ago, I was delighted at the 
> question -- I would like to know the answers.  Why?  Because I'm curious 
> about the house I live in.  I know a lot of people who live on my hallway
> and when their doors are open, I stop by and lean on their doorframe and
> talk for a while.  But there are a lot of floors closer to the foundation
> than mine... and I think the elevator is out of service.
> 
>    The answers to your question would give all of us pleasure and 
> perspective, but so far I haven't seen one even threecoming.
> No!  Iztlacapahtiliztli!!  Bernard shared a genealogical fact with
> us and I appreciated that.  Now, surely *someone* has another one
> that they could contribute without doing any harm to themselves.
> 
>    It would be so easy for each list member to contribute what
> they know (even if splinter facts) about how they got into Nahuatl,
> who was helpful in their formation, and what they know about other
> branches on the tree.
> 
>    Myself, I never took a course in Nahuatl.  My professor,
> Ken Hale, went to Tepoztlan during Easter vacation for few
> days in 1962 and took a five inch tape back to the University
> of Illinois.  He totally assimilated it in a few days and then
> entertained a group of us acting as our Nahuatl informant,
> preparing for the summer field trip in Tepoztlan.
>    Ken got to Tepoztlan about three days ahead of me in the
> summer and seemed to have there for a year -- his vocabulary
> was incredibly large and his understanding of word formation
> was... again, beyond belief.
> 
>    Six weeks in Tepoztlan and a laborious term paper on verb
> formation that I wrote after my return to Champaign was all of
> my experience in Nahuatl before Indiana University asked me to
> teach a series of NDEA funded courses.  I went to Hueyapan,
> in the summer of 1970 to invite a young woman to act as a
> language expert and work in the course with me.  We worked
> together for two intense semesters and then I furthered my
> learning of the language by teaching it alone for two more
> years... and they didn't fully realize how little I knew.
> 
>    In 1974 I started working on translating Molina,
> Nahuatl-Spanish, into English -- and succeeded in
> learning a little more.  And from 1974 to 1985, I worked
> on doing the morphological analysis for the same dictionary,
> then moving on to doing the same thing for the Florentine
> Codex.  ...and on ...and on ...and on.
> 
>    For the last twenty+ years, I've done fieldwork on various
> Nahuatl dialects.
> 
>    And I'm still learning.  OK, I never had a classroom professor
> in Nahuatl (never took an exam), but I wouldn't be doing Nahuatl
> now if it hadn't been for Ken Hale.
> 
> Iztayohmeh,
> 
> Joe
> 
> p.s.  For quite a while, I have been intending to ask the listeros
> if they would contribute to a list of places and resources for learning
> Nahuatl.
> 
>    Who is currently teaching it?  Where?  What variety of Nahuatl?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 21 May 2006, David Wright wrote:
> 
>> Estimados listeros:
>>
>> I've long wondered about how accumulated knowledge of Nahuatl grammar was
>> transmited over the years, particularly during the 20th century.
> 
> 
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From dcwright at prodigy.net.mx  Sat Jun  3 19:58:02 2006
From: dcwright at prodigy.net.mx (David Wright)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:58:02 -0500
Subject: Schools
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUN.2006.145802.0500.DCWRIGHT@PRODIGY.NET.MX>

Many thanks to Joe, for jumpstarting my request, and to all who came forth
with their stories. I'm still quite the novice myself, but I'll go on the
record and say that in spite of a couple of decades of collecting source
material and superficially dabbling in Nahuatl, I finally dove in about six
years ago, with the goal of translating nahuatl glosses in Otomi codices and
comparing lexical items (calques) between Otomi and Nahuatl to try and work
out the role of language in the multiethnic and multilinguistic culture of
late pre-Hispanic and early colonial central Mexico. The Nahuat-l list, Joe
and Fran's Foundation Course notes and some tutoring by the late Cayetano
Reyes García of El Colegio de Michoacán got me off and crawling (I was going
to write "running" but I decided to be realistic). I managed to crack the
glosses and analyze the calques, which are in an appendix to my
dissertation, finished last year. To motivate myself to stick with Nahuatl,
and to share the modest but useful fruits of my efforts, I offered a seminar
called "Lectura del Nahuatl" to undergrad history students at the
Universidad de Guanajuato last year and again this year. The groups are
small but motivated, and after a semester everyone can hack out a rough
translation of a few paragraphs of 16th century central Mexican Nahuatl. A
big obstacle has been the lack of grammatical and lexical sources in Spanish
that incorporate the phonological advances since c 1975, so I've been
working on a basic Nahuatl grammar in Spanish, with a detailed system of
references, combining data from Campbell/Karttunen, Andrews, Lockhart,
Carochi, Rincón, Molina, Launey, and other sources. The examples are all
written out twice, first in traditional "Franciscan" orthography, then in
Andrews/ Campbell/ Karttunen's "traditional-phonemic" spelling, and with the
International Phonetic Alphabet where necessary. The idea is to get the
students used to both forms and train them to move back and forth: "ahora
pongamos nuestros lentes de rayos x para ver las vocales largas y los
saltillos". I'm still working the bugs out of the text and adding examples
from colonial sources.
 
David Wright
www.paginasprodigy.com/dcwright
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From idiez at mac.com  Wed Jun 14 01:09:52 2006
From: idiez at mac.com (idiez at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:09:52 -0500
Subject: couenan
Message-ID: <TUE.13.JUN.2006.200952.0500.>

Listeros who don`t like to go on vacation,
	A colleague of mine has asked for assistance on a matter that has me 
stumped. It concerns the tlamacazqui "Couenan" related to Quetzalcoatl 
in Cholula. What is the morphology of "couenan" and why is his gliph a 
"comitl" ("con-"; this makes sense) and a square?
John

John Sullivan, Ph.D.
Profesor de lengua y cultura nahua
Unidad Académica de Idiomas
Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas
Director
Instituto de Docencia e Investigación Etnológica de Zacatecas, A.C.
Tacuba 152, int. 47
Centro Histórico
Zacatecas, Zac. 98000
México
Oficina: +52 (492) 925-3415
Fax: +52 (492) 925-3416
Domicilio: +52 (492) 768-6048
Celular: +52 (492) 544-5985
idiez at mac.com
www.idiez.org.mx

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From campbel at indiana.edu  Fri Jun  2 03:32:05 2006
From: campbel at indiana.edu (R. Joe Campbell)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:32:05 -0400
Subject: Schools
In-Reply-To: <0IZM00HK7K5C8Y@smtp.prodigy.net.mx>
Message-ID: <THU.1.JUN.2006.233205.0400.CAMPBEL@INDIANA.EDU>

David,

    When I saw your message over ten days ago, I was delighted at the 
question -- I would like to know the answers.  Why?  Because I'm curious 
about the house I live in.  I know a lot of people who live on my hallway
and when their doors are open, I stop by and lean on their doorframe and
talk for a while.  But there are a lot of floors closer to the foundation
than mine... and I think the elevator is out of service.

    The answers to your question would give all of us pleasure and 
perspective, but so far I haven't seen one even threecoming.
No!  Iztlacapahtiliztli!!  Bernard shared a genealogical fact with
us and I appreciated that.  Now, surely *someone* has another one
that they could contribute without doing any harm to themselves.

    It would be so easy for each list member to contribute what
they know (even if splinter facts) about how they got into Nahuatl,
who was helpful in their formation, and what they know about other
branches on the tree.

    Myself, I never took a course in Nahuatl.  My professor,
Ken Hale, went to Tepoztlan during Easter vacation for few
days in 1962 and took a five inch tape back to the University
of Illinois.  He totally assimilated it in a few days and then
entertained a group of us acting as our Nahuatl informant,
preparing for the summer field trip in Tepoztlan.
    Ken got to Tepoztlan about three days ahead of me in the
summer and seemed to have there for a year -- his vocabulary
was incredibly large and his understanding of word formation
was... again, beyond belief.

    Six weeks in Tepoztlan and a laborious term paper on verb
formation that I wrote after my return to Champaign was all of
my experience in Nahuatl before Indiana University asked me to
teach a series of NDEA funded courses.  I went to Hueyapan,
in the summer of 1970 to invite a young woman to act as a
language expert and work in the course with me.  We worked
together for two intense semesters and then I furthered my
learning of the language by teaching it alone for two more
years... and they didn't fully realize how little I knew.

    In 1974 I started working on translating Molina,
Nahuatl-Spanish, into English -- and succeeded in
learning a little more.  And from 1974 to 1985, I worked
on doing the morphological analysis for the same dictionary,
then moving on to doing the same thing for the Florentine
Codex.  ...and on ...and on ...and on.

    For the last twenty+ years, I've done fieldwork on various
Nahuatl dialects.

    And I'm still learning.  OK, I never had a classroom professor
in Nahuatl (never took an exam), but I wouldn't be doing Nahuatl
now if it hadn't been for Ken Hale.

Iztayohmeh,

Joe

p.s.  For quite a while, I have been intending to ask the listeros
if they would contribute to a list of places and resources for learning
Nahuatl.

    Who is currently teaching it?  Where?  What variety of Nahuatl?



On Sun, 21 May 2006, David Wright wrote:

> Estimados listeros:
>
> I've long wondered about how accumulated knowledge of Nahuatl grammar was
> transmited over the years, particularly during the 20th century.

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From mmccaffe at indiana.edu  Fri Jun  2 11:53:11 2006
From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu (Michael McCafferty)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:53:11 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Nahuat-l] Schools
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.075311.0400.>

----- Forwarded message from mmccaffe at indiana.edu -----
    Date: Fri,  2 Jun 2006 07:51:33 -0400
    From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu
Reply-To: mmccaffe at indiana.edu
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Schools
      To: "R. Joe Campbell" <campbel at indiana.edu>

In grad school I wanted to take a language of the Americas. There was
only Zapotec and Nahuatl offered that semester. Before the semester
started I called the Zapotec teacher and he wasn't home. I called the
Nahuatl teacher, Joe Campbell, and he was home, and he was enthusiastic
about teaching the course. So, I signed up.

Then i spent two semesters daily with Joe in a Nahuatl class with one
other student. It was the best class i ever took, hands down. By the
second semester we were reading the Florentine codex.

After that i studied Andrews and Thelma Sullivan, Carochi, on my own,
and a few others. Then a few years later, I taught Nahuatl to three
successive beginning groups and two advanced groups at Indiana. When
the money dried up, I joined a "Nahuatl circle" that includes Joe and
Pablo Garcia, my best student.

That's my story.

Michael McCafferty



Quoting "R. Joe Campbell" <campbel at indiana.edu>:

> David,
>
>    When I saw your message over ten days ago, I was delighted at the
> question -- I would like to know the answers.  Why?  Because I'm
> curious about the house I live in.  I know a lot of people who live
> on my hallway
> and when their doors are open, I stop by and lean on their doorframe and
> talk for a while.  But there are a lot of floors closer to the foundation
> than mine... and I think the elevator is out of service.
>
>    The answers to your question would give all of us pleasure and
> perspective, but so far I haven't seen one even threecoming.
> No!  Iztlacapahtiliztli!!  Bernard shared a genealogical fact with
> us and I appreciated that.  Now, surely *someone* has another one
> that they could contribute without doing any harm to themselves.
>
>    It would be so easy for each list member to contribute what
> they know (even if splinter facts) about how they got into Nahuatl,
> who was helpful in their formation, and what they know about other
> branches on the tree.
>
>    Myself, I never took a course in Nahuatl.  My professor,
> Ken Hale, went to Tepoztlan during Easter vacation for few
> days in 1962 and took a five inch tape back to the University
> of Illinois.  He totally assimilated it in a few days and then
> entertained a group of us acting as our Nahuatl informant,
> preparing for the summer field trip in Tepoztlan.
>    Ken got to Tepoztlan about three days ahead of me in the
> summer and seemed to have there for a year -- his vocabulary
> was incredibly large and his understanding of word formation
> was... again, beyond belief.
>
>    Six weeks in Tepoztlan and a laborious term paper on verb
> formation that I wrote after my return to Champaign was all of
> my experience in Nahuatl before Indiana University asked me to
> teach a series of NDEA funded courses.  I went to Hueyapan,
> in the summer of 1970 to invite a young woman to act as a
> language expert and work in the course with me.  We worked
> together for two intense semesters and then I furthered my
> learning of the language by teaching it alone for two more
> years... and they didn't fully realize how little I knew.
>
>    In 1974 I started working on translating Molina,
> Nahuatl-Spanish, into English -- and succeeded in
> learning a little more.  And from 1974 to 1985, I worked
> on doing the morphological analysis for the same dictionary,
> then moving on to doing the same thing for the Florentine
> Codex.  ...and on ...and on ...and on.
>
>    For the last twenty+ years, I've done fieldwork on various
> Nahuatl dialects.
>
>    And I'm still learning.  OK, I never had a classroom professor
> in Nahuatl (never took an exam), but I wouldn't be doing Nahuatl
> now if it hadn't been for Ken Hale.
>
> Iztayohmeh,
>
> Joe
>
> p.s.  For quite a while, I have been intending to ask the listeros
> if they would contribute to a list of places and resources for learning
> Nahuatl.
>
>    Who is currently teaching it?  Where?  What variety of Nahuatl?
>
>
>
> On Sun, 21 May 2006, David Wright wrote:
>
>> Estimados listeros:
>>
>> I've long wondered about how accumulated knowledge of Nahuatl grammar was
>> transmited over the years, particularly during the 20th century.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nahuatl mailing list
> Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
> http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl
>




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From b.leeming at rivers.org  Fri Jun  2 12:29:27 2006
From: b.leeming at rivers.org (b.leeming at rivers.org)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:29:27 -0400
Subject: Schools
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.082927.0400.>

Listeros-

I, too, have been following this thread closely and have enjoyed reading individual's
tales of learning Nahuatl.  My introduction to Nahuatl came through research I did
last year under the supervision of Dav?d Carrasco at Harvard.  (I wrote my graduate
thesis on the so-called Testerian catechisms used in the evangelization of the
indigenous population of Mexico.)  Since then I have been working (slowly!) through
Lockhart's "Nahuatl As Written: Lessons in Older Written Nahuatl."  However, without
the aid of a master teacher or even a group of like-minded students, the going has
been very slow.  So, my question is: Short of attending a summer program in Mexico
(travel is difficult right now due to young children), does anyone know of a Nahuatl
scholar in the Boston, MA area or can anyone connect me with others in this part of
the country who have an interest in learning Nahuatl?

Thank you!

Ben Leeming
The Rivers School
Weston, MA


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From karttu at nantucket.net  Fri Jun  2 10:42:02 2006
From: karttu at nantucket.net (Frances Karttunen)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:42:02 -0400
Subject: How I got to Nahuatl
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.064202.0400.KARTTU@NANTUCKET.NET>

When I was a brand-new Indiana University grad student in linguistics, 
Joe Campbell was a brand-new assistant professor.  I took a course in 
the history of linguistics from Joe, but we didn't do any Nahuatl then. 
Since those days, we have become firm friends and colleagues and had 
our share of adventures in Mexico.

In 1967-68, while I was an NSF pre-doc fellow in computational 
linguistics at the RAND Corporation in Santa Monica, I met Jim 
Lockhart, who also lived in Santa Monica.

 From there I moved on to the University of Texas, Austin, where I held 
a series of research positions in linguistics.  Shortly after that Jim 
relocated from UCLA to UT-Austin for a brief time before returning to 
UCLA.  While in Austin he approached me with a problem:  The archives 
of Mexico are stuffed with indigenous-language documents, probably 
vital to any colonial Latin-American historian like Jim, but there were 
no organized courses teaching these languages.

The language of the largest number of these colonial documents is 
Nahuatl.  Jim asked me as a linguist about how one approaches such a 
language.

As it turned out, it was Jim who did the intensive leading over the 
next several years.  I went to Finland on a Fulbright research 
fellowship and then on to MIT for a year.  In the meantime Jim went 
back to UCLA.  From there on, we carried on most of our collaboration 
by xerox machine and the USPS.  Jim flooded me with transcriptions and 
provisional translations and sent me photo-copies of many significant 
works such as the facsimile of Carochi 1645. I would never have gotten 
anywhere without his immense generosity.

After I got back to UT-Austin, I made a trip to Mexico City while Jim 
was there on sabbatical carrying on archival research.  He introduced 
me to the Mexico City nahuatlahtos such as Miguel Le?n Portilla and his 
wife Chonita, Fernando Horcasitas, Thelma Sullivan, Nigel Davies, and 
others. I also met Fritz Schwaller on my first visit to Mexico.  Later 
I met Fred Nagel and even more nahuatlahtos in Mexico.

In the States Jim provided me with a letter of introduction to Arthur 
Anderson, which was a huge privilege.

Together Jim and I combed Mexico City book stores for more books.  And 
one day, when I was visiting the National Archives and had some waiting 
to do while Jim worked on something or other, he ordered up a Nahuatl 
manscript to occupy me.

It turned out that without ever having taken a paleography course, I 
had a knack for transcribing colonial Nahuatl.  I even cracked a hard 
nut that Thelma had been chewing on for a long time.

During that brief time Jim and I produced Nahuatl in the Middle Years, 
connecting the Classical Nahuatl of Olmos, Molina, Carochi, et al., 
with the modern studies of spoken Nahuatl via material drawn from the 
colonial documents.

Also, Joe Campbell had by this time moved to UT-San Antonio, and 
Elizabeth Hill (later Boone) and I were burning up IH-35 visiting Joe 
at least once a week to work with him and his computerized Nahuatl 
teaching material. Like Jim Lockhart, Joe was unstinting in his 
generosity with Nahuatl material.  I carted home wheelbarrows full of 
computer print-out from his fieldwork.  Later Joe let me build on the 
basis of his computerized Nahuatl lessons to produce the notebook 
Foundation Course in Nahuatl Grammar, copies of which Fritz Schwaller 
has so faithfully distributed over these many years.

In the mid 1970s I went to Tepoztlan to live with a local family and 
maintained my connections in Tepoztlan for many years.  I also had the 
privilege of going out on interviewing trips with Joe, and once I made 
a trip up to the Huasteca with Karen Dakin, who has been a good friend 
and fellow linguist.  Jim and I once made a trip deep into the 
hinterland of Guererro to visit Una Canger, who was living and working 
there.

It became clear from the grammar of J. Richard Andrews plus our 
by-now-well-worn copies of Carochi that a modern dictionary of Nahuatl 
showing distinctive vowel length and segmental glottal stop was greatly 
needed, and that my abilities in computational data processing and 
linguistic analysis would make me the logical person to do it.

I got a series of NSF grants to do An Analytical Dictionary of Nahuatl 
and an NEH grant to do a book about the Bancroft huehuehtlahtolli 
co-authored with Jim Lockhart.  I went back to Finland during this 
time, so much of the Nahuatl dictionary was compiled in a lake-side 
cottage in the Finnish countryside.

Joe left UTSA, but by this time my own Nahuatl work--some co-authored 
with Jim, some co-authored with Joe, and the rest done on my 
own--continued unchecked. Part of the impetus for the work came from 
the unfailing support of Fermando Horasitas (whose death left us 
bereft), Thelma Sullivan, Yolanda Lastra, and Miguel Leon-Portilla and 
Ascension H. de L-P (Chonita).

One of the fascinating people in Nahuatl studies is do?a Luz Jim?nez, 
who worked with Fernando Horcasitas.  I did  not have the good fortune 
to meet do?a Luz in life, but through her Nahuatl compositions, I felt 
as though she was an intellectual mother.  Joe and I interviewed 
members of her family, and I wrote her career biography as part of my 
book Between Worlds. Since then we have enjoyed an especially warm and 
close relationship with Jes?s Villanueva, the grandson of do?a Luz, who 
has recently produced a CD about her life and work.

At UT-Austin I directed two NEH Summer Institutes at while Joe and I 
and Alberto Zepeda taught Nahuatl.  Alberto was a brilliant teacher and 
a dear friend, and we were devastated when he died of leukemia.

Among the many wonderful participants in those NEH institutes was John 
Charlot, whose father--the painter Jean Charlot--had been particularly 
close to do?a Luz in the 1920s and maintained a close connection 
through letters after he moved to New York and eventually to Hawaii.  
Because of the letters from Luz to Charlot that are archived at the U. 
of Hawaii-Manoa, I spent an academic year in Hawaii, and my connections 
through that year and with the Charlot family have been very fruitful.

When my husband retired from UT-Austin, I took early retirement, and we 
left Texas.  Shortly thereafter, completely out of the blue, I was 
contacted by Italian composer Lorenzo Ferrero, who was seeking help 
with creating a libretto for an opera about the Conquest of Mexico that 
had been commissioned for the Prague National Opera.   His concept was 
for the Spaniards to sing in 16th-century Spanish, the Aztecs to sing 
in Classical Nahuatl, and the character of do?a Marina, the Nahua 
interpreter for Cort?s, to interpret to the opera's audience what was 
going on.  After I worked for Lorenzo as a consultant for a while, he 
generously suggested we share credit as co-librettists.  The opera had 
its premiere in Prague in March 2005, and we hope it will find many 
other venues in the near future.

Most recently I recorded a podcast about do?a Marina ("la Malinche") 
for NuestraFamiliaUnida.

Frances Karttunen


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From schwallr at morris.umn.edu  Fri Jun  2 13:38:41 2006
From: schwallr at morris.umn.edu (John F. Schwaller)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:38:41 -0500
Subject: How Nahuatl found me
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.083841.0500.SCHWALLR@MORRIS.UMN.EDU>

Colleagues,

At the risk of being repetitious, my story is not really that 
exciting.  Like Fran Karttunen and Michael McCafferty,  I was a 
graduate student at Indiana University.  Unlike them, I was studying 
colonial Mexican history.  My advisor, John Lombardi, suggested that 
learning Nahuatl might be of great utility in my research.  It just 
so happened that IU was a federally funded Latin American Studies 
center and offered Nahuatl, and other native languages, which 
qualified for federal assistance under the National Defense Foreign 
Language Act.  So my second year of graduate work I earned a 
fellowship to learn Nahuatl under the direction of Joe Campbell.  It 
was one of those transformative experiences.  Joe was/is so 
passionate about the language that it was impossible not to get 
sucked in.  My fondest memories are of making glossaries of Nahuatl 
words that we would then enter on to punch cards to form Joe's data 
base.  We read the Horcasitas folk tales, and then worked on 
individual entries in the Molina dictionary.  After about 2 years 
with Joe, I even had the temerity to offer Nahuatl at IU through the 
popular university program.  I used to joke that I learned Nahuatl 
from a computer, programmed by Joe.  I also recall that when I tried 
to read Sahagun it seemed the most difficult and impenetrable thing I 
had ever seen.  As a graduate student I began to catalogue Nahuatl 
language manuscripts in the US, working first with the collection at 
the Lilly Library.  In 1974, I met Jim Lockhart, and got to know Fran 
Karttunen, as I provided minimal archival assistance in finding 
colonial Nahuatl documents.

I then went on to a career as a history and Spanish prof.  At every 
institution where I have worked, I have taught Nahuatl, Florida 
Atlantic University, the U. of Montana, and here at the U. of 
Minnesota.  Once I became an administrator and archival research 
became more difficult because of my "day job," I have turned more and 
more to Nahuatl.  It's something I can work on in my spare 
moments.  Also in the mid-1980s I received funding from NEH to 
develop a catalogue of Nahuatl language manuscripts in the US, which 
was eventually published by the Academy of American Franciscan 
History.  Also in the mid-80's at the behest of Marc Eisinger of 
France, I initiated this discussion list.  It makes it one of the 
oldest lists around, having begun during the precursor to the 
internet, bitnet.  I also developed www.nahuatl.org, which 
unfortunately languishes from time to time due to my commitments elsewhere.

As Fran pointed out, I make copies of the "Foundation Course" 
available.  Right now it is out of print, but when I get to Potsdam, 
NY, I'll have more copies printed and it will be for sale once again.

I have worked on the Guide to Confession written by Bartolome de 
Alva, on some of the cofradia constitutions of Molina, and recently I 
have been looking at nuances in Sahagun's Psalmodia and 
Coloquios.  Ironically I now find Sahagun to be quite clear and 
straightforward and use selections for readings when I teach Nahuatl.

I must give my deepest thanks to Joe Campbell and certainly to Fran 
Karttunen.  Without them I would never have persisted in Nahuatl as 
long as I have.  Their passion for the language has certainly inspired me.







John F. Schwaller
President
SUNY Potsdam
schwaljf at potsdam.edu

Until 6-30-06:
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From MDBOLIVAR at san.rr.com  Fri Jun  2 15:08:20 2006
From: MDBOLIVAR at san.rr.com (Maria)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:08:20 -0700
Subject: How Nahuatl found me
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.080820.0700.MDBOLIVAR@SAN.RR.COM>

 
I forgot to mention. At UCSD, where I got my PhD, I only knew John
Sullivan who was interested in N?huatl. I believe he had a very hard
time convincing his professors there could be a specialty in N?huatl or
at least a graduate student working in a doctoral dissertation in
N?huatl. Beyond that there was not an interest in American Languages at
all. I am speaking for the field of Cultural Studies and Literature. In
linguistics the interest died. In my times Linguistics was into the
Natural Approach, with massive offerings in Spanish and less in French,
German, Italian and Russian. Again, little Mandarin and Japanese. Those
who specialized in Mexico did it on interesting fields, like Jewish
Mexican Literature and other aspects of culture having little to do with
Old Mexico. As a Mexicanist, I felt sad the majority of advisors
suggested and even induced students to focus on Modern Mexico and
literatures gravitating around Octavio Paz, Carlos Fuentes and Jos?
Emilio Pacheco (if lucky). So N?huatl, totally out of the question.
 
Maria Bolivar
 
 
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We see things as we are."
Anais Nin
 
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From MDBOLIVAR at san.rr.com  Fri Jun  2 15:06:30 2006
From: MDBOLIVAR at san.rr.com (Maria)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:06:30 -0700
Subject: How Nahuatl found me
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.080630.0700.MDBOLIVAR@SAN.RR.COM>

Joe, we should seriously work in compiling in some form all these
testimonies. I am always interested about people who decide to learn
other languages, whatever language they may choose. The more I teach or
work with languages I realize those of us who learn languages belong in
an endangered group. In the community college, today, even Spanish
classes that used to be packed are losing numbers. German is no longer
taught. There are only two or three courses available in Arabic.
Japanese and Mandarin have one or two sections, not more than that. My
students they fall in two general categories. Those who see the
importance of learning languages but are caught up in the business of
having someone teach them and not learning it themselves. The other
group is made of those who realize -of course I want to be counted among
this bunch- learning a language involves a life endeavor, a daily effort
made of heroic acts of loyalty to the task. I have wanted to enroll in
an Arabic class, for instance, since about a month ago, and the
possibilities are so few my project doesn't even seem realistic, to
anybody. The ones I have found are advanced, which tells me they are
geared for the children of Arabic speakers who want to recuperate what
they have lost. Believe it or not, the only online possibility I found
came from Montana State University. I frankly was appalled to learn the
interest for Arabic in Montana exceeded San Diego's. 
As for N?huatl... Two years ago I found in San Marcos, desperate to do
something more than work the fields for a minimum wage, a teacher/poet
of N?huatl. I sent a wide invitation to form a group and come up with a
decent pay for him. IT would have amounted to a hundred to two hundred
dollars per person, per semester, even less, depending on how many
joined. I really thought at least ten people would show up, eager to
learn. I was too optimistic. Not one person showed up. Many responded, I
must say. There were plenty of good deeds and good excuses. Lack of time
was number one. A lot said they were not sure that they could give
themselves two hours a week for as long as they needed to learn "such a
difficult" language. I asked the teacher to stay put and be patient. I
thought I needed to be more persuasive. I offered to pitch in with a
demo lesson so everyone would be happy and motivated. I did schedule it,
not a soul showed up. They wrote to me that second time, and promised,
provided I organized it on a weekend, to come next time. 
End result, the teacher got discouraged and never called again. 
I have known two teachers who knew N?huatl and could share their
knowledge practically. I tried signing up to go to Morelos, to spend the
summer. But I was told my children could not come -at the time 5 and 7.
The trip meant camping out and sleeping in places they did not think
appropriate for children. I know we would have loved it but they did not
think so. Maybe they thought we would be too picky. So all the N?huatl I
have learned I have learned it pretty much on my own. Almost like I
learned Latin, to keep it in my box of treasures and share it once every
life. I work both for the Community College and for San Diego State
University. I have tried convincing them to teach N?huatl and/or
Pur?pecha and find out if there is an interest. They decline graciously
my invitation. I have interviewed hundreds of workers from Latin
American Countries. I know there are a lot of Mayan speakers, Mixteco,
Zapoteco, and Pur?pecha. It would be great if there could be a conscious
drive to show how these languages count and that it is important to
spread and document their existence. But often I find myself alone in
thinking this way. It would be nice to find a group in the San Diego
area of people who want to become active speakers. If you have the said
references send them to me. I offer my place to start that circle. I
will provide the coffee, the music, the candles, the materials, the
housekeeping, everything to do that. I have all the books and materials
you can possibly think, and I will start a group with as many as another
person for as long as it takes us both to recruit any one else.
 
Maria Bolivar
 
 
 
 
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We see things as we are."
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From brokaw at buffalo.edu  Fri Jun  2 19:20:31 2006
From: brokaw at buffalo.edu (Galen Brokaw)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:20:31 -0400
Subject: Schools
Message-ID: <FRI.2.JUN.2006.152031.0400.BROKAW@BUFFALO.EDU>

I've always been curious about how and where Andrews learned Nahuatl. It 
was my understanding that he taught in the Spanish and Portuguese dept. 
at Vanderbilt with a primary specialization in Medieval and/or Golden 
Age literature. In the introduction to his book he says that he first 
taught it in 1967 or somewhere close to that. Does anybody know where he 
studied Nahuatl? Did he learn it on his own? And what about Anderson and 
Dibble? Did they study in Mexico City?
I guess metaphorically speaking, I'm sort of on the same floor as Joe, 
but he made me feel guilty for not responding. So although what I have 
to say may be a little redundant and in some cases maybe obvious, here 
is my two cents.
I don't know that much about the teaching of Nahuatl in Mexico City, but 
outside of Mexico City and in the US over the last few decades, I think 
there have been/are at least four major sources/centers of Nahuatl 
teaching/learning for non-native speakers.

1. As everyone probably knows, Lockhart has probably produced the 
greatest number of scholars who go on to produce translations and use 
Nahuatl in historical research. If you come across someone who works 
with Nahuatl and got their Ph.D. from UCLA or in some cases even from 
universities near by there as in John's case, then it is likely that 
they studied with him. My impression is that Lockhart's students are 
primarily interested in the language as a tool of historical research, 
but there are a few exceptions (see #4). I think Lockhart's group has 
produced several people who have been producing translations, because 
this kind of thing was integrated into their graduate training and often 
as part of their dissertation research program.

2. As Joe already mentioned, he has been teaching Nahuatl at Indiana for 
many years and he is a very generous contributor to Nahuat-l. Michael 
and Fritz have already mentioned that they studied with Joe. There are 
also several other people who studied with Joe, like me, who participate 
to one degree or another on this list but haven't necessarily made new 
scholarly contributions to knowledge of the language or been influential 
in producing new generations of Nahuatl scholars (at least not yet). In 
the case of Nahuatl studies at Indiana, I think there have been 
different times at which there was a convergence of the stars or 
alignment of the planets or something during which there have been 
higher levels of activity and interest. As Michael has explained, there 
has been one such period of interest and activity recently with Pablo. 
While I was there from the mid to late 1990s was another such period 
originally made possible in part by a government grant in the Center for 
Latin American Studies, but also strengthened and extended as a result 
of a group of really interested and motivated students (Jongsoo Lee, 
Mark Morris, and me). I say "really interested" because, you have to be 
really interested in order to survive the rigor of Joe's classes (I 
don't think he will mind me saying this). His formal courses are very 
intense and demanding, but the experience is also very rewarding. And 
even after completing all the formal coursework that the funding allows, 
he generously volunteers to continue working in a regular study session 
mode with students who are interested. At one point, we were also 
fortunate to be able to bring in a Mexican scholar and native Nahuatl 
speaker to teach a Nahua culture course, attend our Nahuatl study 
sessions, and work with us as an informant. Another reason for the 
fertile environment for Nahuatl studies at Indiana in the 1990s was 
because at the same time some of us were also studying Mesoamerican 
pictography with Gordon Brotherston. As Fritz mentioned, another really 
nice thing about Indiana is that right there on campus, we had the Lilly 
Library's rare book and manuscript collection, which has a collection of 
Nahuatl documents, some of which also have accompanying picotgraphic 
texts. If you will permit a shameless plug at this point, I would 
mention that in 1997 my fellow Nahuatl students and I at Indiana 
published transcriptions and translations of a few short Nahuatl 
documents with accompanying pictographic texts in a publication along 
with a longer study and analysis by Gordon Brotherston titled 
_Footprints through time: Mexican pictorial manuscripts at the Lilly 
Library_ available from the Lilly Library. [I think we are all pretty 
pround of that publication, but if you order a copy, keep in mind that 
we were, and perhaps still are and always will be, novices :-)].

3. Jonathan Amith's summer program in Mexico. I don't know very much 
about this program, but I have heard very good things about it from 
people who have participated. I would be interested to hear about 
Jonathan's initial formation in Nahuatl....

4. John Sullivan, who was a student of Lockhart's, has also recently 
started a summer program in Zacatecas about which I have heard very good 
things. John has also undertaken the very ambitious project of 
developing a program for native speakers, devising linguistic 
terminology in Nahuatl so the language can be studied in Nahuatl itself, 
creating a Nahuatl-Nahuatl dictionary, etc.

Alfonos Reyes was also very active working with students on archives of 
Nahuatl documents in Tlaxcala, but I don't know if this project involved 
Nahuatl instruction or not.

There may be other programs of which I am unaware. I do know that 
Nahuatl is sometimes taught at other institutions in the U.S., but my 
impression is that in most cases not to the same extent or in the same 
depth as has been possible at UCLA and Indiana.
The summer programs are very good good and practical, but they have the 
disadvantage of being limited in terms of time. And knowledge gained in 
that way is very perishable if it is not reinforced over longer periods 
of time.
Both the UCLA and the Indiana groups have had the advantage of being 
able to study over the course of several consecutive years under the 
direction of Jim Lockhart and Joe Campbell respectively. I think most of 
the students who have come out of UCLA and Indiana, however, are 
historians or literature/cultural studies people. Michael was trained 
and works in linguistics and John has sort of become a linguist, but I 
think most of us who were trained in literature and/or history are 
constrained by the demands of the fields in which we work. As Joe knows, 
several of his former Indiana students like me are very interested in 
working more directly on Nahuatl, teaching it regularly, etc., but we 
also have to do what it takes to get tenure in our repsective fields. So 
in most cases, it becomes ancillary to our primary teaching and research 
programs.

Of course, I should include Nahuat-l on my list as well. Everyone here 
already knows about Nahuat-l, but I think we all owe a tribute to Fritz 
for starting and maintaining it over the years. I think it has been an 
invaluable resource for disseminating information, requesting help and 
collaboration in various kinds of endeavors related to the study of Nahuatl.

Best,
Galen








R. Joe Campbell wrote:
> David,
> 
>    When I saw your message over ten days ago, I was delighted at the 
> question -- I would like to know the answers.  Why?  Because I'm curious 
> about the house I live in.  I know a lot of people who live on my hallway
> and when their doors are open, I stop by and lean on their doorframe and
> talk for a while.  But there are a lot of floors closer to the foundation
> than mine... and I think the elevator is out of service.
> 
>    The answers to your question would give all of us pleasure and 
> perspective, but so far I haven't seen one even threecoming.
> No!  Iztlacapahtiliztli!!  Bernard shared a genealogical fact with
> us and I appreciated that.  Now, surely *someone* has another one
> that they could contribute without doing any harm to themselves.
> 
>    It would be so easy for each list member to contribute what
> they know (even if splinter facts) about how they got into Nahuatl,
> who was helpful in their formation, and what they know about other
> branches on the tree.
> 
>    Myself, I never took a course in Nahuatl.  My professor,
> Ken Hale, went to Tepoztlan during Easter vacation for few
> days in 1962 and took a five inch tape back to the University
> of Illinois.  He totally assimilated it in a few days and then
> entertained a group of us acting as our Nahuatl informant,
> preparing for the summer field trip in Tepoztlan.
>    Ken got to Tepoztlan about three days ahead of me in the
> summer and seemed to have there for a year -- his vocabulary
> was incredibly large and his understanding of word formation
> was... again, beyond belief.
> 
>    Six weeks in Tepoztlan and a laborious term paper on verb
> formation that I wrote after my return to Champaign was all of
> my experience in Nahuatl before Indiana University asked me to
> teach a series of NDEA funded courses.  I went to Hueyapan,
> in the summer of 1970 to invite a young woman to act as a
> language expert and work in the course with me.  We worked
> together for two intense semesters and then I furthered my
> learning of the language by teaching it alone for two more
> years... and they didn't fully realize how little I knew.
> 
>    In 1974 I started working on translating Molina,
> Nahuatl-Spanish, into English -- and succeeded in
> learning a little more.  And from 1974 to 1985, I worked
> on doing the morphological analysis for the same dictionary,
> then moving on to doing the same thing for the Florentine
> Codex.  ...and on ...and on ...and on.
> 
>    For the last twenty+ years, I've done fieldwork on various
> Nahuatl dialects.
> 
>    And I'm still learning.  OK, I never had a classroom professor
> in Nahuatl (never took an exam), but I wouldn't be doing Nahuatl
> now if it hadn't been for Ken Hale.
> 
> Iztayohmeh,
> 
> Joe
> 
> p.s.  For quite a while, I have been intending to ask the listeros
> if they would contribute to a list of places and resources for learning
> Nahuatl.
> 
>    Who is currently teaching it?  Where?  What variety of Nahuatl?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 21 May 2006, David Wright wrote:
> 
>> Estimados listeros:
>>
>> I've long wondered about how accumulated knowledge of Nahuatl grammar was
>> transmited over the years, particularly during the 20th century.
> 
> 
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From dcwright at prodigy.net.mx  Sat Jun  3 19:58:02 2006
From: dcwright at prodigy.net.mx (David Wright)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:58:02 -0500
Subject: Schools
Message-ID: <SAT.3.JUN.2006.145802.0500.DCWRIGHT@PRODIGY.NET.MX>

Many thanks to Joe, for jumpstarting my request, and to all who came forth
with their stories. I'm still quite the novice myself, but I'll go on the
record and say that in spite of a couple of decades of collecting source
material and superficially dabbling in Nahuatl, I finally dove in about six
years ago, with the goal of translating nahuatl glosses in Otomi codices and
comparing lexical items (calques) between Otomi and Nahuatl to try and work
out the role of language in the multiethnic and multilinguistic culture of
late pre-Hispanic and early colonial central Mexico. The Nahuat-l list, Joe
and Fran's Foundation Course notes and some tutoring by the late Cayetano
Reyes Garc?a of El Colegio de Michoac?n got me off and crawling (I was going
to write "running" but I decided to be realistic). I managed to crack the
glosses and analyze the calques, which are in an appendix to my
dissertation, finished last year. To motivate myself to stick with Nahuatl,
and to share the modest but useful fruits of my efforts, I offered a seminar
called "Lectura del Nahuatl" to undergrad history students at the
Universidad de Guanajuato last year and again this year. The groups are
small but motivated, and after a semester everyone can hack out a rough
translation of a few paragraphs of 16th century central Mexican Nahuatl. A
big obstacle has been the lack of grammatical and lexical sources in Spanish
that incorporate the phonological advances since c 1975, so I've been
working on a basic Nahuatl grammar in Spanish, with a detailed system of
references, combining data from Campbell/Karttunen, Andrews, Lockhart,
Carochi, Rinc?n, Molina, Launey, and other sources. The examples are all
written out twice, first in traditional "Franciscan" orthography, then in
Andrews/ Campbell/ Karttunen's "traditional-phonemic" spelling, and with the
International Phonetic Alphabet where necessary. The idea is to get the
students used to both forms and train them to move back and forth: "ahora
pongamos nuestros lentes de rayos x para ver las vocales largas y los
saltillos". I'm still working the bugs out of the text and adding examples
from colonial sources.
 
David Wright
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From idiez at mac.com  Wed Jun 14 01:09:52 2006
From: idiez at mac.com (idiez at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:09:52 -0500
Subject: couenan
Message-ID: <TUE.13.JUN.2006.200952.0500.>

Listeros who don`t like to go on vacation,
	A colleague of mine has asked for assistance on a matter that has me 
stumped. It concerns the tlamacazqui "Couenan" related to Quetzalcoatl 
in Cholula. What is the morphology of "couenan" and why is his gliph a 
"comitl" ("con-"; this makes sense) and a square?
John

John Sullivan, Ph.D.
Profesor de lengua y cultura nahua
Unidad Acad?mica de Idiomas
Universidad Aut?noma de Zacatecas
Director
Instituto de Docencia e Investigaci?n Etnol?gica de Zacatecas, A.C.
Tacuba 152, int. 47
Centro Hist?rico
Zacatecas, Zac. 98000
M?xico
Oficina: +52 (492) 925-3415
Fax: +52 (492) 925-3416
Domicilio: +52 (492) 768-6048
Celular: +52 (492) 544-5985
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