tlapani, tlapana, tlatlapaca, tlatlapatza

[John Sullivan, Ph.D.]

Because the meaning of tlatlapatza can be understood in two ways:
1. tlapana>tlatlapatza, "to split s.t. many times.
2. tlatlapaca> tlatlapatza, " to cause s.t. to be split into many pieces"
John

On Nov 25, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Michael McCafferty wrote:

> Quoting "John Sullivan, Ph.D." <idiez at me.com>:
> 
>> Piyali listeros,
>> 	Ce tlahtlaniliztli. I have a question about sets of words like:
>> tlapa:ni, "to split"; tlapa:na, "to split s.t."; tlatlapaca, "to
>> split  into many pieces", tlatlapatza, "to split s.t. into many
>> pieces". I  understand that tlapa:na is a causative derivation of
>> tlapa:ni. And  the grammars say that tlatlapaca is a reduplicated
>> form of tlapa:ni,  and that tlatlapatza is a reduplicated form of
>> tlapa:na.
> 
> What I want  to know is if tlatlapatza could also be
>> considered a causative  derivation of tlatlapaca.
> 
> Why?
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> After all, we do
>> have hua:qui, "to dry" and  its causative derivation hua:tza, "to dry
>> s.t."; popo:ca, "to smoke" /  popo:tza, "to smoke s.t."; ti:tica, "to
>> throb (a wound) / ti:titza,  "to strain while making an effort", none
>> of which have underlying  thematic verbs forms in -ni or -hui.
> 
> One thing about these particular forms that you note, John, is that
> they all retain the long vowel when taking the -tza form, which is not
> the case for the productive verbs noted further above.
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> And I
>> think all verbs ending in - tza are transitive (pi:tza, po:tza).
>> John
>> 
>> John Sullivan, Ph.D.
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>> Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas
>> Zacatecas Institute of Teaching and Research in Ethnology
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>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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