Sufijos de Posici ón

[Tomas Amaya]

Hallo Michael, Hallo Paul

I'd like to add some words to the the topic.

1. Ikpan (noikpan). It is related to ic and pa(n). So, the meaning of
noikpan is "because of me" or secondly: "around me". The word to express
behind is ican/icampa (ican+pa) so you can say noicampa, moicampa iicampa,
etc. in order to mean behind me, behind you, behind him, etc.

2. lampa. We say callan to mean something like "outside the house" / "some
place near the house"; it is made up of cal (calli=house) and tlan--> lan
(tlan: next to, on, etc), plus "pa", that specifies/reinforces the idea of
place. So for example, when you say: nicnequi niaz callampa you are meaning
"I want to go outdoors". But attention! If you say: nicnequi niaz callan,
you are meaning "I want to go to the WC". 

3. Caltenoj = caltenoh, related to "caltenco" (nahuatl central), it means
"at the edge of the house". Composition: cal (calli) + tentli
(lip/edge/border) + co (locative). Today it is used to mean "yard" (patio)
or "in front of the house", but you have to remember that in ancient times
there were no roads or walls among the houses (it can still be seen in some
indian villages), so, at the edge, "border" of the house people used to put
stones or trunks on which they sat down to talk. 

Tomas Amaya


-----Mensaje original-----
De: nahuatl-bounces at lists.famsi.org [mailto:nahuatl-bounces at lists.famsi.org]
En nombre de Michael McCafferty
Enviado el: Viernes, 30 de Julio de 2010 08:05 a.m.
Para: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
Asunto: Re: [Nahuat-l] Sufijos de Posición

Hard to say, Paul, without more data. Note, however, that in the 
so-called classical language, certain postpositions have become 
inalienably associated with certain nouns. That may be the case with 
your modern dialect. For example, one may just not see -lampa 
associated with possessive pronouns such as no- even though the 
structure *nolampa is technically grammatical.


Michael

Quoting Paul Allen Hudson <paul.hudson at udlap.mx>:

> Hi all:
>
> I'm trying to figure out the difference between the locative suffixes
> "in front of" and "behind" in the Náhuat of the Cuetzálan region of
> the sierra norte of Puebla. For each locative position, there are two
> suffixes:
>
>        -ikpan  behind    ej. noikpan... behind me
>         -lampa  behind    ej. kallampa...behind the house
>
>         -ixpan  in front of    ej. noixpan...in front of me
>        -tenoj  in front of    ej. kaltenoj...in front of the house
>
> Thus far I haven't been able to figure out when to use one and not
> the other, except for sometimes one or the other does not sound as
> "correct." Is it a difference between animate and inanimate objects
> or possible between things that are stationary and things that aren't?
>
>
> Paul Hudson
>
>
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