significado de tlalcosahua

Wed Jun 2 15:07:05 UTC 2010

 Tlalcosahua is a small village in the state of Jalisco.  It is located in the Huejucar muncipality.

It has about 650 habitants and it is almost a thousand years old.

Prior to the arrival of the the Spaniards Tlalcosahua was there.

 It has been interpreted as THE PLACE WHERE THE WATER TWIST
SITIO DONDE EL AGUA SERPENTEA..

THERE IS NO EXPLANATION OF THE MAKE UP OF THE WORD

AND THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO OBTAIN.

PLEASE DO HELP.

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:50:14 -0400
From: "Leeming, Ben" <b.leeming at rivers.org>
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Nahuatl Digest, Vol 179, Issue 1
To: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>, "vazquezdiaz at aol.com"
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A couple of ideas from the New England contingent:

I definitely agree that "sa" is really "za".  Initially I was thinking "zahua" 
as in "to fast"...but then the "tlalco" doesn't quite work.  I started working 
with Michael's "-huah" (preterit agentive noun of possession suffix) and then 
may have hit on something.  What if that "coz" or even "coza" has to do with 
"yellow", and "tlalcozahua" is something like "owner of yellow earth"?  But 
there's that "a" after "coz"...

There's also the "coz" of "co:ztli" (necklace).  The original post's author 
didn't indicate vowel length so this might be possible.  But then there's that 
"a" of "coza" again...  I did find "cozahuiya" (to turn yellow).  Could this 
shorten to give us "coza"?

How about this?  Karttunen has an entry for "cozehua" which she defines as "to 
make something turn yellow" (which supports my "coztic" theory).  Perhaps 
"tlalcozahua" is really "tlalcozehua" and means "to make (the) earth turn 
yellow".

I guess I would ask the original post's author for some context.  What is the 
source? Can you give us some more of the passage?  Is there any hint at vowel 
length?

What do others think?

Ben

Ben Leeming
Chair, History Department
The Rivers School
Weston, MA 02493
(781) 235-9300

On 6/1/10 4:10 PM, "Michael McCafferty" <mmccaffe at indiana.edu> wrote:

Quoting vazquezdiaz at aol.com:

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> Please help me out with the meaning of the word  TLALCOSAHUA
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Sounds like 'earth-ferret-haver'

tla:l-co:zah-huah

someone who has/owns an 'earth-ferret'...whatever that is. :-)

Michael

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Date: Tue,  1 Jun 2010 21:00:46 -0400
From: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Nahuatl Digest, Vol 179, Issue 1
To: "Leeming, Ben" <b.leeming at rivers.org>
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la localidad de Tlalcosahua est? situado en el Municipio de Huej?car 
(en el Estado de Jalisco).

de PueblosAmerica.com

uoting "Leeming, Ben" <b.leeming at rivers.org>:

> A couple of ideas from the New England contingent:
>
> I definitely agree that "sa" is really "za".  Initially I was
> thinking "zahua" as in "to fast"...but then the "tlalco" doesn't
> quite work.  I started working with Michael's "-huah" (preterit
> agentive noun of possession suffix) and then may have hit on
> something.  What if that "coz" or even "coza" has to do with
> "yellow", and "tlalcozahua" is something like "owner of yellow
> earth"?  But there's that "a" after "coz"...
>
> There's also the "coz" of "co:ztli" (necklace).  The original post's
> author didn't indicate vowel length so this might be possible.  But
> then there's that "a" of "coza" again...  I did find "cozahuiya" (to
> turn yellow).  Could this shorten to give us "coza"?
>
> How about this?  Karttunen has an entry for "cozehua" which she
> defines as "to make something turn yellow" (which supports my
> "coztic" theory).  Perhaps "tlalcozahua" is really "tlalcozehua" and
> means "to make (the) earth turn yellow".
>
> I guess I would ask the original post's author for some context.
> What is the source? Can you give us some more of the passage?  Is
> there any hint at vowel length?
>
> What do others think?
>
> Ben
>
> Ben Leeming
> Chair, History Department
> The Rivers School
> Weston, MA 02493
> (781) 235-9300
>
>
>
>
> On 6/1/10 4:10 PM, "Michael McCafferty" <mmccaffe at indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> Quoting vazquezdiaz at aol.com:
>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Please help me out with the meaning of the word  TLALCOSAHUA
>>
>>
>
>
> Sounds like 'earth-ferret-haver'
>
> tla:l-co:zah-huah
>
> someone who has/owns an 'earth-ferret'...whatever that is. :-)
>
> Michael
>
>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:23:56 -0400
From: "Leeming, Ben" <b.leeming at rivers.org>
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Nahuatl Digest, Vol 179, Issue 1
To: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
Cc: "nahuatl at lists.famsi.org" <nahuatl at lists.famsi.org>,
    "vazquezdiaz at aol.com" <vazquezdiaz at aol.com>
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Ok. But what does Tlalcosahua mean?

I'm curious to hear John Sullivan's two cents.  John?

Ben

On 6/1/10 9:00 PM, "Michael McCafferty" <mmccaffe at indiana.edu> wrote:

la localidad de Tlalcosahua est? situado en el Municipio de Huej?car
(en el Estado de Jalisco).

de PueblosAmerica.com

uoting "Leeming, Ben" <b.leeming at rivers.org>:

> A couple of ideas from the New England contingent:
>
> I definitely agree that "sa" is really "za".  Initially I was
> thinking "zahua" as in "to fast"...but then the "tlalco" doesn't
> quite work.  I started working with Michael's "-huah" (preterit
> agentive noun of possession suffix) and then may have hit on
> something.  What if that "coz" or even "coza" has to do with
> "yellow", and "tlalcozahua" is something like "owner of yellow
> earth"?  But there's that "a" after "coz"...
>
> There's also the "coz" of "co:ztli" (necklace).  The original post's
> author didn't indicate vowel length so this might be possible.  But
> then there's that "a" of "coza" again...  I did find "cozahuiya" (to
> turn yellow).  Could this shorten to give us "coza"?
>
> How about this?  Karttunen has an entry for "cozehua" which she
> defines as "to make something turn yellow" (which supports my
> "coztic" theory).  Perhaps "tlalcozahua" is really "tlalcozehua" and
> means "to make (the) earth turn yellow".
>
> I guess I would ask the original post's author for some context.
> What is the source? Can you give us some more of the passage?  Is
> there any hint at vowel length?
>
> What do others think?
>
> Ben
>
> Ben Leeming
> Chair, History Department
> The Rivers School
> Weston, MA 02493
> (781) 235-9300
>
>
>
>
> On 6/1/10 4:10 PM, "Michael McCafferty" <mmccaffe at indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> Quoting vazquezdiaz at aol.com:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Please help me out with the meaning of the word  TLALCOSAHUA
>>
>>
>
>
> Sounds like 'earth-ferret-haver'
>
> tla:l-co:zah-huah
>
> someone who has/owns an 'earth-ferret'...whatever that is. :-)
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Sample disclaimer text
>

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:34:41 -0500
From: "Tomas Amaya" <t_amaya at megared.net.mx>
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Nahuatl Digest, Vol 179, Issue 1
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Tocnihuane'

Once again a contribution from nahuat of Cuetzalan. 

1.       Cozahua' is a verbal particle related to "getting yellow"

2.       Cozahuac means "yellowish"

3.       Firs meaning: talcozahua' (NC=tlalcozahua') => earth that is
getting yellow

4.       Second meaning: talcozahuac (NC=  tlalcozahuac) => earth that is
yellowish

5.       Examples that may aid to understand it: Huitzil-opochtli =
hummingbird that is left-handed; Cuauh-temoc = Eagle that has descendet;
tezcatli-poca = mirror that smokes. 

Niamechyoltlapalohua. 

Tomas Amaya

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Please help me out with the meaning of the word  TLALCOSAHUA

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:01:04 -0400

From: Molly Bassett <mbassett at gsu.edu>

Subject: [Nahuat-l] matlalin - blue, green, blue-green?

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Hi, all.

I'm working on a piece dealing with the significance of colors in  

precontact Central Mexican religious contexts, and I have a question  

about the meaning of ma:tla:lin.

Frances Karttunen follows Molina in defining matlalin as ?the color  

dark green?:  ?This is attested in Z in matlalzahuatl (literally  

?green pox?) and possibly in Matlalpan, although the sense of the  

latter would be obcure from this gloss, which appears to have  

something to do with lowness of sature.  Conceivably it is derived  

instead from tlalpan ?on the ground'" (139).

But Dibble & Anderson translate matlalin as ?blue? in the Florentine,  

which notes that "its name comes from nowhere.  It is the blossom of  

an herb, a blossom.  This matlalin is blue and a little herb-green.   

It is very sound, firm, good, of good appearance, fresh green.  It is  

fresh green, very resh green. . . . / acan quizqui in itoca, xihuitl  

ixochyo, xochitl: inin matlali texotic, ihuan achi quiltic, cenca  

ixtlapalhui, ixchicactic, cualli, cualnezqui, celic, celic,  

celpatic. . . ." (11: 240).

The Badianus Ms. cites matlalxochitl (presumably the xochitl referred  

to in the Florentine?) as an element in a treatment for "heat" in the  

eyes (pl. 14, p. 218).  The footnote for matlalxochitl glosses the  

term as "blue flower" identifies the plant as "the dayflower,  

Commelina, of which a number of species are found on the Mexican  

plateau.  A native variant Nahuatl name for it is matlaliztic.   

Hern?ndez refers to several varieties of matlalxochitl (pp. 383-4),  

but none of the illustrations resembles Commelina; thus the name must  

have been applied to several flowers of blue color" (219-20).

So, two of these three sources relate matlalin to blue; I haven't  

followed up on Hern?ndez yet.  Are there other places I should look  

for more information on matlalin as blue or green?  I realize that  

blue-green functioned as a range or spectrum in precontact  

Mesoamerica, but the discrepancy among these sources has piqued my  

curiosity.

Thanks,

Molly

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Assistant Professor, Mesoamerican Religions and Indigenous Traditions

Department of Religious Studies

Georgia State University

1137 34 Peachtree Street NW

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