WG: Himno a Tlaloc

Thu Jan 13 18:17:11 UTC 2011

Thank you, and to others thank you, for these missives.

Tlaloc is an interesting name. tlal-oc

In the Algonquian language known as Miami-Illinois there are two words 
for 'snow', /manetwa/ and /waapikoona/. The first, deriving from 
/manetoowa/ 'spirit, God', refers to falling snow; the second, deriving 
from Proto-Algonquian */wa:p/ 'white' and /ko:na/ 'snow' is what's on 
the ground, lying on the Earth.

Michael

Quoting Jeanne Gillespie <jeanne.gillespie at usm.edu>:

> You can get Brinton's Nahuatl transcription from the Project Gutenberg's
> copy of Reg Veda Americana (1890).  Here is a link:
> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14993/14993-h/14993-h.htm#iii
> and the copy with Brinton's translation and notes:
> III. Tlalloc icuic.
>
>   1. Ahuia Mexico teutlaneuiloc amapanitla anauhcampa, ye moquetzquetl,
>   aoyequene y chocaya.
>   2. Ahuia anneuaya niyocoloc, annoteua eztlamiyaual, aylhuiçolla nic
>   yauicaya teutiualcoya.
>   3. Ahuia annotequiua naualpilli aquitlanella motonacayouh tic yachiuh
>   quitla catlachtoquetl, çan mitziyapinauia.
>   4. Ahuia cana catella nechyapinauia anechyaca uelmatia, anotata yn
>   oquacuillo ocelocoatl aya.
>   5. Ahuia tlallocana, xiuacalco aya quizqui aquamotla, acatonalaya.
>   6. Ahuia xiyanouia, nahuia xiyamotecaya ay poyauhtla, ayauh chicauaztica,
>   ayauicalo tlallocanaya.
>   7. Aua nacha tozcuecuexi niyayalizqui aya y chocaya.
>   8. Ahuia queyamica xinechiuaya, temoquetl aitlatol, aniquiya ilhuiquetl,
>   tetzauhpilla niyayalizqui aya y chocaya.
>   9. Ahuia nauhxiuhticaya itopanecauiloc ayoc ynomatia, ay motlapoalli, aya
>   ximocaya ye quetzalcalla nepanauia ay yaxcana teizcaltequetl.
>   10. Ahuia xiyanouia, ahuia xiyamotequaya ay poyauhtla, ayauh
>   chicauaztlica ayauicallo tlalloca.
>
> *Var.* 1. Amopanitl.
> Gloss.
>
>   1. Auia Mexico teutlanauiloc, *q.n.*, yn Mexico onetlanauiloc in tlaloc.
>   Amapanitl annauhcampa ye moquetzquetl, *q.n.*, amapanitl nauhcampa
>   omoquequetz. Aoyeque naichocaya, *id est*, itlaocuyaya.
>   2. Auia anneuaya niyocoloc, *q.n.*, ynehuatl ni tlalloc oniyocoloc.
>   Annoteua eztlamiyaual, *q.n.*, noteu eztlamiyaualtitiuh. Aylhuiçolla, *
>   q.n.*, yn umpa ilhuiçololo. Inic yauicaya teuitualcoya, *q.n.* in
>   teuitualoc.
>   3. Auia annotequiua naualpilli, *q.n.* in tinoteuh naualpilli, *i.e.*,
>   tlalloc. Aquitlanella motonacayouh, *q.n.*, ca nelli teuatl ticmochiuilia
>   in motonacayouh. Catlachtoquetl, *q.n.*, teuatl ticmochiuilia auh in
>   aquin timitzpinauia.
>   4. Ahuia cana catella nechyapinauia, *q.n.*, catel nechpinauia ca
>   monechuelmati. Annotata ynoquacuillo ocelocoatl aya, *q.n.*, yn notaua
>   ioan yna quacuiloa yn oceloquacuili.
>   5. Ahuia tlallocana xiuacalco, *q.n.*, in tlalocan xiuhcalco, *id est*,
>   acxoyacalco. Ayaquizqui, *q.n.*, umpa ualquizque. Aquamotla acatonalaya,
>   *q.n.*, y notauan yn oquacuiloan acatonal.
>   6. Ahuia xicanouia nauia xiyamotecaya, *q.n.*, xiuian ximotecati. Ay
>   poyauhtlan, *q.n.*, in umpa poyauhtlan tepeticpac. Ayauh chicauaztica
>   ayauicalo tlalocana, *q.n.*, ayauh chicauaztica in auicalo tlalocan.
>   7. Aua nach tozcuecuexi niyayalizqui, *q.n.*, y nach tozcuecuex y ye
>   niauh niman ye choca.
>   8. Ahuia queyamica xinechiuaya, *q.n.*, quenamican y ya niauh aço
>   anechtemozque. Aniquiya ilhuiquetl tetzapilla niyayalizqui ayaichocaya, *
>   q.n.*, onquilhui yn tetzapilli ye niyauh niman ye choca.
>   9. Ahuia nauhxiuhticaya nitopanecauiloc, *q.n.*, nauhxiuhtica in
>   topanecauiloz, *id est*, in tepan mochiuaz. Ayoc inomatia ay motlapoalli,
>   *q.n.*, aocmo nomatia iniquin motlapoalpan. Ca oximoac ye quetzalcalla
>   nepanauia, *q.n.*, ye qualcan ye netlamachtiloyan ynemca. Ay yaxcana
>   teizcaltiquetl, *q.n.*, iniaxca inic oteizcalli.
>   10. Ahuia xiyanouia, *q.n.*, xiuia. Auia xiya motecaya ay poyauhtla, *
>   q.n.*, ximotecati in umpa poyauhtla. Ayauh chicauaztica auicallo
>   tlalocan, *q.n.*, ayauh chicauaztica in auicallo in umpa tlallocan.
>
> The Hymn of Tlaloc.
>
>   1. In Mexico the god appears; thy banner is unfolded in all directions,
>   and no one weeps.
>   2. I, the god, have returned again, I have turned again to the place of
>   abundance of blood-sacrifices; there when the day grows old, I am beheld
>   as a god.
>   3. Thy work is that of a noble magician; truly thou hast made thyself to
>   be of our flesh; thou hast made thyself, and who dare affront thee?
>   4. Truly he who affronts me does not find himself well with me; my
>   fathers took by the head the tigers and the serpents.
>   5. In Tlalocan, in the verdant house, they play at ball, they cast the
>   reeds.
>   6. Go forth, go forth to where the clouds are spread abundantly, where
>   the thick mist makes the cloudy house of Tlaloc.
>   7. There with strong voice I rise up and cry aloud.
>   8. Go ye forth to seek me, seek for the words which I have said, as I
>   rise, a terrible one, and cry aloud.
>   9. After four years they shall go forth, not to be known, not to be
>   numbered, they shall descend to the beautiful house, to unite together and
>   know the doctrine.
>   10. Go forth, go forth to where the clouds are spread abundantly, where
>   the thick mist makes the cloudy house of Tlaloc.
>
> Notes.
>
> The god Tlaloc shared with Huitzilopochtli the highest place in the Mexican
> Pantheon. He was the deity who presided over the waters, the rains, the
> thunder and the lightning. The annual festival in his honor took place about
> the time of corn-planting, and was intended to secure his favor for this
> all-important crop. Its details are described at great length by Diego Duran,
> *Historia de Nueva España*, cap. 86, and Sahagun, *Historia*, Lib. II., cap.
> 25, and elsewhere. His name is derived from *tlalli*, earth. *Tlalocan*,
> referred to in v. 5, ?the place of Tlaloc,? was the name of a mountain east
> of Tenochtitlan, where the festival of the god was celebrated; but it had
> also a mythical meaning, equivalent to ?the earthly Paradise,? the abode of
> happy souls.
>
> It will be observed that v. 10 is a repetition of v. 6. The word
> *ayauicalo*refers to the
> *ayauhcalli*, ?house of mist,? the home of the rain god, which Sahagun
> informs us was represented at the annual festival by four small buildings
> near the water?s edge, carefully disposed to face the four cardinal points
> of the compass (Sahagun, *ubi supra*).
>
> In v. 8 the expression *tetzauhpilli* (*tetzauhqui*, to frighten) may be
> explained by the figure of Tlaloc, whose statue, says Duran, was that of *un
> espantable monstruo, la cara muy fea* (*ibid.*).
>
> The compound in v. 10, *nauhxiuhtica*, ?after four years,? appears to refer
> to the souls of the departed brave ones, who, according to Aztec mythology,
> passed to the heaven for four years and after that returned to the
> terrestrial Paradise,?the palace of Tlaloc. (See my paper, *The Journey of
> the Soul*, in *Proceedings of the Numismatic and Antiquarian Society of
> Philadelphia, 1883*.)
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Susana Moraleda
> <susana at losrancheros.org>wrote:
>
>>  Thank you Stefanie. I do have Sahagun's Historia General (Consejo
>> Nacional para la Cultura y las Artes) but it is the Spanish version of the
>> Codice Florentino (Lopez Austin and Garcia Quintana).  There are no Nahuatl
>> quotes.
>>
>> I searched the books you suggested in "Google books" but couldn't find
>> anything.
>> Would you kindly have any other suggestion?
>>
>> Susana
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Stefanie Teufel <stefanyteufel at yahoo.de>
>> *To:* nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:44 AM
>> *Subject:* [Nahuat-l] WG: Himno a Tlaloc
>>
>>  Dear Susana,
>>
>> you will find the song of Tlaloc in Nahuatl:
>>
>> -in Sahgún´s Codex Florentinius, Book II "The Ceremonies". For example
>> Anderson and Dibble 1981:224.
>>
>> - in Sahgún´s Historia General, Book II. For example the edition of
>> Porrúa/Garibay 1989:174
>>
>> -in Sahagún´s Primeros Memoriales, folio 274. See for example Sullivan.
>>
>> Best
>> Stefanie
>>
>> ----- Weitergeleitete Mail ----
>> *Von:* Susana Moraleda <susana at losrancheros.org>
>> *An:* Nahuat-l <nahuatl at lists.famsi.org>
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, den 13. Januar 2011, 10:40:54 Uhr
>> *Betreff:* [Nahuat-l] Himno a Tlaloc
>>
>>
>> Would anyone know where can I find the Nahuatl text of the "Himno a
>> Tlaloc"? The one quoted by Sahagun.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Susana
>>
>>
>>
>>
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