From schwallr at potsdam.edu Tue Jun 7 12:29:43 2011 From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:29:43 -0400 Subject: Nahuatl teacher available Message-ID: *From: "John Sullivan" Date: June 7, 2011 Piyali listeros, Victoriano de la Cruz Cruz has been working at IDIEZ as a researcher and instructor for over six years. He has a Masters Degree in Indoamerican Linguistics from CIESAS and is looking to begin his Ph.D. in Linguistics at a US university within the next year or so. He would like to spend the next semester or year at a US institution teaching Nahuatl and working on his English. Please contact me if you are interested in setting this up at your institution. John John Sullivan, Ph.D. Professor of Nahua language and culture Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas Zacatecas Institute of Teaching and Research in Ethnology Calle Elías Amador 302 Centro Histórico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 Mexico Work: +52 (492) 925-3415 Fax: +1 (858) 724-3030 (U.S.A.) Home: +52 (492) 768-6048 Mobile: +52 1 (492) 103-0195 idiez at me.com www.macehualli.org * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Nahuatl mailing list Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl From susana at losrancheros.org Wed Jun 15 10:21:06 2011 From: susana at losrancheros.org (Susana Moraleda) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:21:06 +0200 Subject: - our messages, public?? Message-ID: I was playing with Internet and curiously enough I tried to see how many sites mentioned my name, just to discover that all of my messages posted to this list appeared in Google!! I must say I do not like the general public to see what I'm up to - I thought the info we posted here was visible only to us listeros, and was wondering what is Famsi's policy in this, I mean privacy and the like. Would very much appreciate any feedback. Susana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Nahuatl mailing list Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl From k_salmon at ipinc.net Wed Jun 15 13:22:12 2011 From: k_salmon at ipinc.net (Kier Salmon) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:22:12 -0700 Subject: Grim Warning Re: - our messages, public?? In-Reply-To: <74320ACC6BBE43179A32CFAC41CC2CD1@susana> Message-ID: Basically (not a nahuatl specialist, but a heavy geek girl) if it is on the web there is no privacy. Really. Tom MacMaster aka Amina Arraf (the story that broke this week over gaygirlindamascus) was a typical case of somebody who thought that they were anonymous and could play head games. And will pay, I devotedly hope, a very stiff price academically for it. I use my own name and am cautious about what I have to say. But all our messages got through multiple servers and are harvested in multiple places. Sometimes for backup, and sometimes because somebody wrote the program and was fired, left or died and nobody knows it's there... but it's still searchable and findable. One thing that *can* be done is for the list owner to talk with the IT people at the institution and have the access privileges (in unix the rw) tweaked. But it has to be done by somebody who understands the list or we will all lose the ability to see it. I was involved with the team that found MacMaster; the hand that wore the sock-puppet of Amina Arraf i Omari. He's not the first I've encountered. Some years ago a professor of English at a small college in the north east used a handle... a very obvious handle (this is accepted; "Amina" pretended to be real). She made a few statements that caught the attention of a list member. Based on an ip address and two little statements the geeky member figured out her name, profession, home, found her bio and emailed her at another address she had. His purpose was to not embarrass her in front of the whole list with a "Did you really mean????" She lost it completely over violation of privacy. It really puzzled the owners of the list as she raved and demanded that the member be banned. Using a handle is considered in the gray area of ethical and nobody that I've seen on the two Mesoamerican lists seems to do this. But nobodies privacy is any more secure than if we were using CB radios. We *are* in public and it's important to remember that. Think of it as being in a large restaurant booth. Kier Salmon, Seattle WA On Jun 15, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Susana Moraleda wrote: > I was playing with Internet and curiously enough I tried to see how many sites mentioned my name, just to discover that all of my messages posted to this list appeared in Google!! > > I must say I do not like the general public to see what I'm up to - I thought the info we posted here was visible only to us listeros, and was wondering what is Famsi's policy in this, I mean privacy and the like. > > Would very much appreciate any feedback. > > Susana > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nahuatl mailing list > Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org > http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl _______________________________________________ Nahuatl mailing list Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl From schwallr at potsdam.edu Wed Jun 15 13:57:25 2011 From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:57:25 -0400 Subject: - our messages, public?? Message-ID: I am sorry, but the nature of a discussion list is that it is public. Once a message has been sent to any recipient (on the list or off), that person can then do with it as they wish. In general you should never assume any privacy in the use of e-mail. It simply is not a secure medium. In the case of discussion lists, archives of the conversations are always maintained, and have proven extremely helpful. For the Nahuatl list, the linguistics site has maintained a shadow archive for decades for the benefit of scholars. > I was playing with Internet and curiously enough I tried to see how many sites mentioned my name, just to discover that all of my messages posted to this list appeared in Google!! > > I must say I do not like the general public to see what I'm up to - I thought the info we posted here was visible only to us listeros, and was wondering what is Famsi's policy in this, I mean privacy and the like. > > Would very much appreciate any feedback. > > Susana > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nahuatl mailing list > Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org > http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl > -- John F. Schwaller President, SUNY Potsdam 44 Pierrepont Ave. Potsdam, NY 13676 schwallr at potsdam.edu -- John F. Schwaller President, SUNY Potsdam 44 Pierrepont Ave. Potsdam, NY 13676 schwallr at potsdam.edu _______________________________________________ Nahuatl mailing list Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl From idiez at mac.com Wed Jun 29 22:51:45 2011 From: idiez at mac.com (John Sullivan) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:51:45 -0500 Subject: ordenanzas mercado tlaxcallan Message-ID: Listeros, I can’t remember where I saw a document (perhaps an ordenanza) listing things sold in the tianquiz of Tlaxcala with their prices in cacao during the colonial period. Does anyone remember where this is published? John John Sullivan, Ph.D. Professor of Nahua language and culture Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas Zacatecas Institute of Teaching and Research in Ethnology Calle Elías Amador 302 Centro Histórico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 Mexico Work: +52 (492) 925-3415 Fax: +1 (858) 724-3030 (U.S.A.) 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Best, Stefanie ________________________________ Von: John Sullivan An: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 30. Juni 2011, 0:51:45 Uhr Betreff: [Nahuat-l] ordenanzas mercado tlaxcallan Listeros, I can’t remember where I saw a document (perhaps an ordenanza) listing things sold in the tianquiz of Tlaxcala with their prices in cacao during the colonial period. Does anyone remember where this is published? John John Sullivan, Ph.D. Professor of Nahua language and culture Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas Zacatecas Institute of Teaching and Research in Ethnology Calle Elías Amador 302 Centro Histórico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 Mexico Work: +52 (492) 925-3415 Fax: +1 (858) 724-3030 (U.S.A.) Home: +52 (492) 768-6048 Mobile (Mexico): +52 1 (492) 103-0195 Mobile (US): (615) 649-2790 idiez at me.comwww.macehualli.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John John Sullivan, Ph.D. Professor of Nahua language and culture Universidad Aut?noma de Zacatecas Zacatecas Institute of Teaching and Research in Ethnology Calle El?as Amador 302 Centro Hist?rico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 Mexico Work: +52 (492) 925-3415 Fax: +1 (858) 724-3030 (U.S.A.) Home: +52 (492) 768-6048 Mobile: +52 1 (492) 103-0195 idiez at me.com www.macehualli.org * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Nahuatl mailing list Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl From susana at losrancheros.org Wed Jun 15 10:21:06 2011 From: susana at losrancheros.org (Susana Moraleda) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:21:06 +0200 Subject: - our messages, public?? Message-ID: I was playing with Internet and curiously enough I tried to see how many sites mentioned my name, just to discover that all of my messages posted to this list appeared in Google!! I must say I do not like the general public to see what I'm up to - I thought the info we posted here was visible only to us listeros, and was wondering what is Famsi's policy in this, I mean privacy and the like. Would very much appreciate any feedback. Susana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Nahuatl mailing list Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl From k_salmon at ipinc.net Wed Jun 15 13:22:12 2011 From: k_salmon at ipinc.net (Kier Salmon) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:22:12 -0700 Subject: Grim Warning Re: - our messages, public?? In-Reply-To: <74320ACC6BBE43179A32CFAC41CC2CD1@susana> Message-ID: Basically (not a nahuatl specialist, but a heavy geek girl) if it is on the web there is no privacy. Really. Tom MacMaster aka Amina Arraf (the story that broke this week over gaygirlindamascus) was a typical case of somebody who thought that they were anonymous and could play head games. And will pay, I devotedly hope, a very stiff price academically for it. I use my own name and am cautious about what I have to say. But all our messages got through multiple servers and are harvested in multiple places. Sometimes for backup, and sometimes because somebody wrote the program and was fired, left or died and nobody knows it's there... but it's still searchable and findable. One thing that *can* be done is for the list owner to talk with the IT people at the institution and have the access privileges (in unix the rw) tweaked. But it has to be done by somebody who understands the list or we will all lose the ability to see it. I was involved with the team that found MacMaster; the hand that wore the sock-puppet of Amina Arraf i Omari. He's not the first I've encountered. Some years ago a professor of English at a small college in the north east used a handle... a very obvious handle (this is accepted; "Amina" pretended to be real). She made a few statements that caught the attention of a list member. Based on an ip address and two little statements the geeky member figured out her name, profession, home, found her bio and emailed her at another address she had. His purpose was to not embarrass her in front of the whole list with a "Did you really mean????" She lost it completely over violation of privacy. It really puzzled the owners of the list as she raved and demanded that the member be banned. Using a handle is considered in the gray area of ethical and nobody that I've seen on the two Mesoamerican lists seems to do this. But nobodies privacy is any more secure than if we were using CB radios. We *are* in public and it's important to remember that. Think of it as being in a large restaurant booth. Kier Salmon, Seattle WA On Jun 15, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Susana Moraleda wrote: > I was playing with Internet and curiously enough I tried to see how many sites mentioned my name, just to discover that all of my messages posted to this list appeared in Google!! > > I must say I do not like the general public to see what I'm up to - I thought the info we posted here was visible only to us listeros, and was wondering what is Famsi's policy in this, I mean privacy and the like. > > Would very much appreciate any feedback. > > Susana > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nahuatl mailing list > Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org > http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl _______________________________________________ Nahuatl mailing list Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl From schwallr at potsdam.edu Wed Jun 15 13:57:25 2011 From: schwallr at potsdam.edu (John F. Schwaller) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:57:25 -0400 Subject: - our messages, public?? Message-ID: I am sorry, but the nature of a discussion list is that it is public. Once a message has been sent to any recipient (on the list or off), that person can then do with it as they wish. In general you should never assume any privacy in the use of e-mail. It simply is not a secure medium. In the case of discussion lists, archives of the conversations are always maintained, and have proven extremely helpful. For the Nahuatl list, the linguistics site has maintained a shadow archive for decades for the benefit of scholars. > I was playing with Internet and curiously enough I tried to see how many sites mentioned my name, just to discover that all of my messages posted to this list appeared in Google!! > > I must say I do not like the general public to see what I'm up to - I thought the info we posted here was visible only to us listeros, and was wondering what is Famsi's policy in this, I mean privacy and the like. > > Would very much appreciate any feedback. > > Susana > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nahuatl mailing list > Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org > http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl > -- John F. Schwaller President, SUNY Potsdam 44 Pierrepont Ave. Potsdam, NY 13676 schwallr at potsdam.edu -- John F. Schwaller President, SUNY Potsdam 44 Pierrepont Ave. Potsdam, NY 13676 schwallr at potsdam.edu _______________________________________________ Nahuatl mailing list Nahuatl at lists.famsi.org http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl From idiez at mac.com Wed Jun 29 22:51:45 2011 From: idiez at mac.com (John Sullivan) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 17:51:45 -0500 Subject: ordenanzas mercado tlaxcallan Message-ID: Listeros, I can?t remember where I saw a document (perhaps an ordenanza) listing things sold in the tianquiz of Tlaxcala with their prices in cacao during the colonial period. Does anyone remember where this is published? John John Sullivan, Ph.D. Professor of Nahua language and culture Universidad Aut?noma de Zacatecas Zacatecas Institute of Teaching and Research in Ethnology Calle El?as Amador 302 Centro Hist?rico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 Mexico Work: +52 (492) 925-3415 Fax: +1 (858) 724-3030 (U.S.A.) 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Best, Stefanie ________________________________ Von: John Sullivan An: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org Gesendet: Donnerstag, den 30. Juni 2011, 0:51:45 Uhr Betreff: [Nahuat-l] ordenanzas mercado tlaxcallan Listeros, I can?t remember where I saw a document (perhaps an ordenanza) listing things sold in the tianquiz of Tlaxcala with their prices in cacao during the colonial period. Does anyone remember where this is published? John John Sullivan, Ph.D. Professor of Nahua language and culture Universidad Aut?noma de Zacatecas Zacatecas Institute of Teaching and Research in Ethnology Calle El?as Amador 302 Centro Hist?rico Zacatecas, Zac. 98000 Mexico Work: +52 (492) 925-3415 Fax: +1 (858) 724-3030 (U.S.A.) Home: +52 (492) 768-6048 Mobile (Mexico): +52 1 (492) 103-0195 Mobile (US):?(615) 649-2790 idiez at me.comwww.macehualli.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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