Nahuatl Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1

John Sullivan idiez at me.com
Mon Dec 9 22:29:18 UTC 2013


Dear listeros,
	Ok, so first is it izcohua or izcoa? It would seem to be the latter. Next, this kind of deverbal derivation (patientive noun) with class 3 verbs, although not real common, does appear. And the fact that the reflexive prefix doesnʻt change to ne- is probably indicative of the fact that this is a peripheral phenomenon.
John

On Dec 9, 2013, at 21:00, Magnus Pharao Hansen <magnuspharao at gmail.com> wrote:

> Listeros,
> 
> Thanks for all of your quick replies. I agree that the word is probably
> related to (mo)iskoa, but the attestation I have is specifically as the
> noun, moskotl with the meaning fire. If derived from the reflexive moskoa
> it is quite an odd deverbal derivation. If you happen upon a nominal with
> the form moskotl (or moskol, moskot, or even muskut) I'd be very happy to
> know of it.
> 
> best wishes,
> Magnus
> 
> 
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>> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:25:16 -0600
>> Subject: [Nahuat-l] Moskotl
>> Hi listeros
>> 
>> Have any of you run into the word "moskotl" meaning either "fire" or
>> something similar in any documents or contemporary varieties of Nahuatl?
>> 
>> best,
>> Magnus
>> 
>> --
>> Magnus Pharao Hansen
>> PhD. candidate
>> Department of Anthropology
>> 
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>> From: Jonathan Amith <jdanahuatl at gmail.com>
>> To: Magnus Pharao Hansen <magnuspharao at gmail.com>
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>> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:13:32 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Moskotl
>> Hi Magnus
>> 
>> Just iskowa   reflexively used moskowa  'to heat oneself up by the side of
>> a fire (e.g., during a cold morning). Cf. in classical under izcoa. jda
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Magnus Pharao Hansen <
>> magnuspharao at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi listeros
>>> 
>>> Have any of you run into the word "moskotl" meaning either "fire" or
>>> something similar in any documents or contemporary varieties of Nahuatl?
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> Magnus
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Magnus Pharao Hansen
>>> PhD. candidate
>>> Department of Anthropology
>>> 
>>> Brown University
>>> 128 Hope St.
>>> Providence, RI 02906
>>> 
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>> From: Victoriano de la Cruz Cruz <tepoxteco3 at hotmail.com>
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>> Cc: Magnus Pharao Hansen <magnuspharao at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:15:41 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Moskotl
>> Para el náhuatl de la huasteca existe el verbo MOZCOA y significa
>> calentarse (junto(por)  el fuego).
>> 
>> Ejemplo: 1. Quemman tlahuel tlaceceya na nochipa nimozcoa. 'Cuando hace
>> mucho frio yo me caliento (junto al fuego)'.
>>                 2. Ne mizton nochipa mozcoa tlixictenno. 'Ese gato
>> siempre se calienta muy junto(labio-orilla)  al fuego.
>> 
>> Cualli tonatiuh, Magnus.
>> 
>> 
>> Victoriano de la Cruz
>> UW, PL
>> Estudiante de doctorado.
>> vcruz at al.uw.edu.pl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 09/12/2013, a las 16:13, Jonathan Amith escribió:
>> 
>>> Hi Magnus
>>> 
>>> Just iskowa   reflexively used moskowa  'to heat oneself up by the side
>> of
>>> a fire (e.g., during a cold morning). Cf. in classical under izcoa. jda
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Magnus Pharao Hansen <
>> magnuspharao at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi listeros
>>>> 
>>>> Have any of you run into the word "moskotl" meaning either "fire" or
>>>> something similar in any documents or contemporary varieties of Nahuatl?
>>>> 
>>>> best,
>>>> Magnus
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Magnus Pharao Hansen
>>>> PhD. candidate
>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>> 
>>>> Brown University
>>>> 128 Hope St.
>>>> Providence, RI 02906
>>>> 
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