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the effects of water and fire have nothing to do with this disfrasismo <b>except</b>
that:<br>
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when fire overwhelms water, hot (and sometimes violent) steam is sent
out....<br>
when water overcomes fire, it causes flames to shoot out as it puts the
fire out... and again steam (and smoke this time) are sent out
violently.<br>
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it is this great release of violence and energy that symbolize war, not
how water or fire were used in battle.<br>
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mario cuauhtlehcoc<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mexicayotl.org">www.mexicayotl.org</a><br>
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ANTHONY APPLEYARD wrote:
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<pre wrap=""> --- Geoff Davis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mixcoatl@GMAIL.COM"><mixcoatl@GMAIL.COM></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">... Here are two common examples:
in atl in tlachinolli - "water and fire" - war
in xochitl in cuicatl - "flower and song" - poetry
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Andrews's book translates difrasismos as e.g. "It is a flower and it is
a song".
In "it is water and it is fire" used to mean "it is war", I know that
war all too often involves setting buildings on fire, but where does
water come into it? Does it refer to war canoes? Or does the phrase
refer to water and fire being incompatible "elements"?
Citlalyani
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